It stops everything happening at once.

Imagine a movie, but every frame projected simultaneously ... the divine white light of god-consciousness. Even the darkest soul, from the view of eternity, is nothing but a flash of white light.

yes I agree. It is the thing connecting all the frames together and guiding them all to one another.

Most action is comforted. If you try to trick yourself your mind already knows that you're going to try trick yourself. For this reason time can be at the vantage point everywhere.

It stops everything happening at once.

Imagine a movie, but every frame projected simultaneously ... the divine white light of god-consciousness. Even the darkest soul, from the view of eternity, is nothing but a flash of white light. — unenlightened

But use a book instead of a film for your example. The entirety of the book is happening at once. All the pages are there at all times, as opposed to the film that requires movement across the light. This would suggest that "happening" references conscious perception of the thing as opposed to anything to do with the thing.

But I also realize that's not always the case because the sun comes and down regardless of who's watching.

This would suggest that "happening" references conscious perception of the thing as opposed to anything to do with the thing. — Hanover

Yes, time is a limitation of (our human) consciousness, whereas for God, "Before Abraham was, I am."

Or I sometimes like to say, "Being is, whereas Nothing happens." — Time implies 'not yet'.

But use a book instead of a film for your example. The entirety of the book is happening at once. All the pages are there at all times, as opposed to the film that requires movement across the light. This would suggest that "happening" references conscious perception of the thing as opposed to anything to do with the thing. — Hanover

Are you suggesting that conscious beings actually turn the pages of time? or would it be just one conscious being who does this, God?

Are you suggesting that conscious beings actually turn the pages of time? or would it be just one conscious being who does this, God? — Metaphysician Undercover

I don't know. The book is a confusing way to look at it, differing from the movie analogy, but it seems just as valid. The movie moves by itself, but not the book, which makes the movie comparison reflective of a mind independent reality that reveals seen or not. The book though requires a page turner. I guess if you pick the book comparison you impose a greater role of consciousness dictating reality than the movie.

I don't know. The book is a confusing way to look at it, differing from the movie analogy, but it seems just as valid. The movie moves by itself, but not the book, which makes the movie comparison reflective of a mind independent reality that reveals seen or not. The book though requires a page turner. I guess if you pick the book comparison you impose a greater role of consciousness dictating reality than the movie. — Hanover

I see the main difference being that the page turner is the individual subject, so each person would turn the page at one's own pace. The movie doesn't really move by itself though, because there is a mechanism which moves it for everyone. The difference being that one is subjective, the other objective. But even the movie requires some sort of operator, and designer of the equipment, so some form of consciousness behind that system cannot be completely ruled out.

The more important question though, is whether such an analogy is adequate. Each of the two suggest determinism, reality is dictated by what is on the film or the pages. But if we are to allow for free will, then what is being rolled out by the projector, is possibilities which we can act on. This makes the matter extremely complex, because the objective mechanism would be providing us with possibilities, and the conscious mind could choose what actions it desires to actualize, and roll into the past. Of course one could solely observe, but without opting to take part ion the smorgasbord, you'd be rolled into the past yourself.

I think it's a combination of the two then. The movie machine is rolling out possible pages to turn, while the conscious mind is selecting which ones to turn.