I can find deteriorating neighborhoods in Minneapolis; you can probably find them in your city, too. But in a healthy city, deteriorating neighborhoods are the exception, not the rule.

Where the core city (Flynt, for example) is the core of the region, and the core is rotting, there can't be much hope. The whole economic landscape is gradually sinking, and a revitalization is extraordinarily unlikely. The long manufacturing boom which began 100 years ago isn't likely to be remotely approximated again.

Thus, those on the bottom in places like this have no prospects. Is it a surprise that physical and existential pain-reducing drugs are epidemic?

I don't like it, but it seems reasonable that when the "opiate of the masses" no longer works, real opiates will be sought after.

Did a YouTube search for my city and it’s supposedly the fourth most neighborly city in the nation, though I suspect a goodly amount of PR foolery in the presentation.

I did a research in my city too. Madrid is the capital city of Spain and it holds many architectural structure related to bourgeois and millionaires, but there are also neighbourhoods which are in decadence.


Very working class neighbourhood... the buildings are part of Franco's era in the 1950s and 1960s.







One interesting fact is that all of those neighbourhoods are in the south of Madrid, while the north is for rich people. Between the 1960s and 1990s there were a huge construction works for middle class families. I live in of these working class districts... I don't consider as "bad" but it feels abandoned by public administration.

This building is similar of the one I live in:

I recently learned a bit of Spanish history from reading a bunch of Isabel Allende books. A particularly touching part was when, after Franco took power, a shipload of Spanish asylum seekers arrived in Chile and, despite their fears, were met with dockside fanfare and open arms.

Thanks for reading history of my country Praxis :up:

I know some about that boat, I think it was called SS Winnipeg. Those Spaniards were fled thanks to Pablo Naeruda who decided to organize their travel to Chile. He first worked as Chilean consul in Spain, before being named consul in Paris. The ship was an old French cargo ship which ordinarily could not take more than 250 persons, but it was adapted so it could carry the 2,200 refugees.

I can find deteriorating neighborhoods in Minneapolis; you can probably find them in your city, too. — BC

I'm revisiting this thread because I recently visited San Cristóbal (Madrid).

It is deteriorated, but the chimneys are what impressed me the most. The neighbourhood was a working-class building block of people working in the industry of bricks.



They [the industries] are now closed, and the hood experienced a financial recession. Most folks say this is the most "dangerous" place of Madrid.

Thanks for the video. That San Cristobal is a high crime / dangerous neighborhood doesn't jump out at one. One would need to hang around the place at night, but there are signs that are problematic.

The housing looks like "public housing", as opposed to privately developed residences. Public housing in itself is a social good, but if it isn't managed carefully, it can turn into concrete jungles. For instance, it's critical to have a balance of adults and children in the buildings. Too many children and too few adults spells trouble. It's important to screen out problematic tenants. The buildings have to be maintained in good condition. Etc.

Chicago's public housing turned into a nightmare and the most of the buildings were torn town. New York City's public housing didn't. It stayed good. Why? Better management and a commitment to long-term maintenance.

San Cristobal has a lot of repetitive concrete/brick buildings located in close proximity. It isn't brick and concrete per se that are problematic. It's the way the buildings either support community or impede it -- or even destroy - it that matters. Again, New York is a crowded city. There are some very desirable and crowded neighborhoods made out of repetitive brick and concrete.

It is difficult to tackle all the problems that make up "high crime" neighborhoods. There just aren't enough social workers, enough jobs, enough public programs, enough therapists, enough of everything. Glad you are not living there -- you were just visiting, right?

Javi's "walk on the wild side"...

Yes, that's how public houses looked under Franco's regime. They look like they were printed because they are flat and similar to each other. I was raised in a "public house" (we call them VPO= Viviendas de Protección Oficial) building, but my parents' house was built in 1994, so it is obvious that everything is better in the sense of urbanisation.

As you noted, the blocks are repetitive, and the main plan was to build as many flats as possible to locate the workers there. I don't see it as problematic, because everyone deserves to live in a house. The problem is that, in most cases, those blocks had poor materials, they were located in the outskirts, and they lacked basic public services such as a bus or train station. But, again, everything started to change for the better since the 1980s when these neighbourhoods received more funds.

Glad you are not living there -- you were just visiting, right? — BC

Exactly. I ended up there randomly. The main road was interrupted by works, and I needed to cross through there to go to my destination. Otherwise, I don't think I would approximate myself to San Cristóbal.