We are the universe contemplating itself — Copernicus
I think the only way to put it is subjective experience. It can't be worded in any physical way. If it could be, someone would be able to give me what in asking for. Without all the physical terms that we're so used to and comfortable with, it's not easy for us to talk about it. Especially me, since very few on TPF think consciousness is fundamental. It's the property that subjectively experiences. Not a physical property. Not all properties are physical.What do you think the nature of the nonphysical part is? — frank
Seeing and licking are physical processes. — Patterner
Just like we can't see our eyes — Copernicus
"Tangible" is just one physical characteristic. Not every physical thing has every physical characteristic. But you can't call something physical if it doesn't have any physical characteristics. How is such a thing deemed to be physical?Physical property doesn't have to have tangibility. — Copernicus
Of course you can quantity heat and light. — Patterner
It can't be sensed with any of our senses — Patterner
Why would we not think this lone, non-physical thing is the product of something non-physical? — Patterner
Being countable like physical objects is not a requirement for being considered physical. Heat and lighte have other physical characteristics, even if they are not countable.Of course you can quantity heat and light.
— Patterner
I meant to say "count" (like physical objects). — Copernicus
I said consciousness can't be sensed with any of our senses. That is not similar in any way to an eye not being able to see itself. Eyes can still be sensed visually, by other eyes. Further, my eyes can be felt, tasted, etc., even by my own senses. They are physical, because they have physical characteristics.It can't be sensed with any of our senses
— Patterner
Like eyes can't see themselves. Consciousness itself is a kind of sense. — Copernicus
consciousness can't be sensed with any of our senses. That is not similar in any way to an eye not being able to see itself. — Patterner
That's my point. Eyes are physical. Consciousness is not.Exactly. Both have different classes. — Copernicus
Neural activity, hormonal feedback, and sensory processing together constitute what we experience as emotion, thought, and will. — Copernicus
Why can't neural activity, hormonal feedback and sensory processing happen without experience? — bert1
It certainly has physical characteristics. But it also has non-physical characteristics. Such as consciousness.My point is, everything came from the Big Bang (assuming it's legit), but varies in characteristics. All are physical. The universe is physical. — Copernicus
The universe is physical. — Copernicus
if by "soundness" you mean empirical proof, then I must remind you this is philosophy, not science. — Copernicus
it also has non-physical characteristics — Patterner
to claim that it is an argument with a conclusion is a little misleading — Metaphysician Undercover
When I said physical, I meant a product of physical events — Copernicus
But what have you said about an event when you say it is physical? What is it about an event that makes it physical? — bert1
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