• Metaphysician Undercover
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    Do you know why the US is involved now?frank

    Trump wants more oil.
  • frank
    18.4k
    Trump wants more oil.Metaphysician Undercover

    I doubt it.
  • Metaphysician Undercover
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    You don't recognize how Trump is obsessed with oil? "Drill, baby, drill." And, "We will export American energy all over the world." In Trump's mind, oil and power are equivalent. That's why he's mad at Europeans who buy Russian oil.
  • frank
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    You don't recognize how Trump is obsessed with oil? "Drill, baby, drill." And, "We will export American energy all over the world." In Trump's mind, oil and power are equivalent. That's why he's mad at Europeans who buy Russian oil.Metaphysician Undercover

    Yea, but if he wanted oil from Venezuela, Trump would just publicly put a gun to Maduro's head and say "Give me a bunch of oil."

    I think it's actually about drugs, and I suspect the agenda is coming from Vance. Time will tell which of us is right.
  • Metaphysician Undercover
    14.5k

    Two men, two goals, same means, kill two birds with one stone.
  • AmadeusD
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    I do not think that, for whatever it's worth
  • frank
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    I do not think that, for whatever it's worthAmadeusD

    It's happened though. What they used to do was loan money to developing nations and when they couldn't pay it back, the US would go in and re-organize their economies. The result was increased economic stratification. It was basically neoliberalism. What's odd is that the US backed Chavez and he was a socialist. The US claimed it was opposed to unconstitutional transitions of power, but that is utter BS. Chavez must have been easier to deal with than his opponent.
  • AmadeusD
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    the US backed Chavezfrank

    .........................................what....................................

    They decidedly did not back Chavez at any time that I am even vaguely aware of, including his initial campaign, and supporting his ousting in 2002, becoming more hostile on his return two days later.
  • frank
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    But the US warned Chavez about the 2002 coup. Isn't that support?
  • ssu
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    This is a bit confusing and I would agree with @AmadeusD that this isn't support, actually.

    It's basically window dressing and an attempt to avoid criticism from other Latin American countries that the Bush administration got for recognizing the Carmona government when ultimately the coup attempt failed (as the Presidential Guard then saved Chavez and he regained power).

    A failed coup attempt with angry Latin American countries isn't something the US wants to be attached to anyway. But this I wouldn't call support of the Chavez regime.

    The Chavez/Maduro regime has been on the naughty list for a long while and Chavez himself accused, naturally (what else would a genuine populist do), many times of the US being behind every opposition action against his regime there has been in Venezuela.
  • frank
    18.4k
    I guess you're right.
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