Great to see you still around. And I agree. Love is not all there is.

I've been there myself, a long time ago. I agree with you: I was being chertitable. The post got some facts right, but it was wrong in all the ways that really matter. Take care.

I've been there myself, a long time ago. I agree with you: I was being chertitable. The post got some facts right, but it was wrong in all the ways that really matter. Take care. — Esse Quam Videri

Hindsight is always 20/20, I see that now.

What do you believe the most significant difference is between people who love life and those who seek suicide?

Think of this example.

1. Amad died and his biological body was found in his house.
2. Amad's biological body was removed from his house after his death.
These statements sound not correct and misleading.

Biology is a term which has strong connection with and implication to life or living which has biological function such as breathing, eating, digesting, growing or getting old.

Just because you can extract DNA from the dead body, you insist it is biological body.
That is a claim which is devoid of logic and also linguistic coherence, which is incredibly silly.

There is no case... do it if you can't handle life. Better for those of us who can. Definitely don't try passing on such hereditary exhaustion. — DifferentiatingEgg

Social Darwinism in action! Yay!

What do you believe the most significant difference is between people who love life and those who seek suicide? — Martijn

The feeling that one's material wellbeing is guaranteed. The former have it, the latter lack it.

Regardless, life will always be a beautiful mystery — Martijn

Mysteries stop being beautiful once one is hungry, sick, and cold.

Okay, but what about the situation when killing oneself is the answer to the problem? — LuckyR

The answer to the problem according to whom?

Perhaps the Palestinians should all kill themselves to solve Israel's problem, the Russians should kill themselves to solve EU's problem, the Greenlandians should kill themselves to solve America's problem ...?

Historically, in many societies, a sexually abused woman or a widow was expected to kill herself in order to solve her and her family's problem. For a member of the nobility, suicide was the proper answer if he or she fell from grace. And the list goes on.

What I'm getting at (and which you and several posters repeatedly refuse to address) is how much a particular person's suicide solves _other_ people's problems. And how, in some cases, it is expected that someone would take their own life, even when said person does not experience any particular pain or profound suffering.

The flip side of the question is 'what makes life worth living'. My problem I have had throughout my life is that society in general I find so vapid and disgusting. For most people in western society consumerism and binge drinking are the highest ideals.

If there was something worth fighting for that gives one reason to live but why does one want to fight for the above soulless nonsense? It seems that is satisfactory for the majority of society and I have never been able to get it or see how that can bring them satisfaction. — unimportant

I doubt they hold consumerism as the highest ideal per se, or that it brings them much satisfaction per se. But it certainly looks like it is the best available relief from existential anxiety for them.

Invoking the name of Darwin as if anything intelligent, is what you call "Social Darwinism."

We can tell your Christian sentiments from your response to LuckyR. Doubling down on the notion above are we?

Why must people take seriously the brain affliction of dead web spinners...? :roll:

Invoking the name of Darwin as if anything intelligent, is what you call "Social Darwinism."

We can tell your Christian sentiments from your response to LuckyR. Doubling down on the notion above are we?

Why must people take seriously the brain affliction of dead web spinners...? — DifferentiatingEgg

Eh?
I, a Christian??
A disenchanted socialist, yes. A Christian, never.

What do you believe the most significant difference is between people who love life and those who seek suicide? — Martijn

No idea.

Just because you can extract DNA from the dead body, you insist it is biological body.
That is a claim which is devoid of logic and also linguistic coherence, which is incredibly silly. — Corvus

Uhhh, no. There is nothing devoid of logic, the dead body is still biological because it's organic material. Death and decomposition are still part of biology.

What I'm getting at (and which you and several posters repeatedly refuse to address) is how much a particular person's suicide solves _other_ people's problems. And how, in some cases, it is expected that someone would take their own life, even when said person does not experience any particular pain or profound suffering. — baker

The other odd part is that even those who claim to kill themselves out of some expectation to right a wrong still don't solve anything. The people who claim it does often are lying to themselves, because they still regret the loss of someone taking their life.

Great to see you still around. And I agree. Love is not all there is. — AmadeusD

It's nice, but there's more to life than just that. Life is what you make of it TBH.

Though I was wondering what your beef with Corvus was about. Sounds like defining death, which IMO has nothing to really do with the morality of suicide.