According to you, Rich, the natural is supernatural.it derives from a supernatural authority called Natural Law — Rich
natural is supernatural. — szardosszemagad
It's the age old debate of determinism. Is the path we walk fated? Do we have choice? Is the past written or is it just as unclear as the future? — MikeL
How would we formulate determinism or fate without causation? — TheMadFool
If I say determinism is true then I am presupposing causation of some kind. Of course, causation can be non-deterministic but, the point is, fate and determinism can't be explained without it. — TheMadFool
At the end of time, looking back I can see the path you walked. — MikeL
You created the path as you made your own choices- it was free will, but you did create the path. Thus it is about tenses. It will be determined, it was determined, it is being determined. Same thing, different time position. — MikeL
The future is determined, we just can't see it yet because we are at the wrong part of time. We made the choices that determined it. Just because I am unable to see it yet does not mean it is not deterministic. — MikeL
So I've already made the choices which I will make tomorrow, concerning the day after tomorrow. It doesn't make sense to say that we've already made the choices which we will make in the future. If you say that these choices are already determined, then they aren't choices at all. What appears as choosing is not. It is an illusion. — Metaphysician Undercover
The initial conditions that created the path were probabilistic — MikeL
By changing our position in time we can see it. — MikeL
Multiple Worlds theory could explain a paradox of making a different choice knowing the outcome ahead of time. — MikeL
But even then, only one path ends up being walked. — MikeL
Perhaps an important conceptual point to consider is that probability does have an outcome — MikeL
You seem to be considering determinability and predictability to be coterminous? — Janus
I would say that determinism, as a metaphysical or ontological postulate, is entirely prejudicial, — Janus
If you can predict something then it is determinable. If something can be determined then it is predictable- although it may not be considered a prediction if you already know it. Perhaps that's the nagging feeling I have — MikeL
Prejudicial to what? — MikeL
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