I'll start a seperate thread tommorow. — MysticMonist
Obviously monks already do this but they require on the charity of others to sustain them and also devote their time to prayer or charitable work and have other vows beyond poverty. What if you worked a normal career but knew a good portion of your salary went to others and not yourself? Again my wife would probably veto this idea, so it's just a thought experiment. — MysticMonist
Spinoza would disagree. — MysticMonist
I'm not entirely consistent in what I mean by God. — MysticMonist
For me, God is a range of possible realities. — MysticMonist
Maybe cause it's not obvious? — MountainDwarf
Maybe. But then you'd need an argument to show that, which I don't see here. — Thorongil
cease appropriating the word God. If — Thorongil
What term should I use? — MysticMonist
It may be the exception that proves the rule, but Spinoza and Plato and Descartes and Tillich and Richard Rohr all mean this wider sense of God to jystva nane a few. But I don't mean the God that the baptist church is taking about. — MysticMonist
assuming we're talking about the God of the Bible. God is invisible and God is immaterial. Therefore if he exists he exists incognito. No one can prove that there is or is not a Christian God. — MountainDwarf
A non-sequitur. God being invisible or immaterial doesn't entail that he cannot be proven to exist. — Thorongil
Well then, if it is obvious, tell me what proof you have. — MountainDwarf
Why do you assume that I have one? I'm not a theist at present, but I don't have to be to identify bad arguments against God's existence. — Thorongil
Tillich says God is ground of all being, he rejects theism — MysticMonist
Rohr is a via negativa mystic, who doesn't strictly define God. He talks about God as consciousness sometimes. — MysticMonist
Descartes has a pretty philosophical view of God from first principles — MysticMonist
Spinoza's God is more complex that one line to explain — MysticMonist
How is what I said a non-sequitur? — MountainDwarf
Tillich blatantly rejects "theism". — MysticMonist
I'm sorry you don't like Rohr, but you can't discount him out of hand. He hasn't been kicked out of the Catholic Church yet. — MysticMonist
I forgot what we are originally arguing. The meaning of God and theism right? You win, I'll try not to use those terms. — MysticMonist
No. He distinguishes between two different kinds of theism, rejecting one and arguing for the other. Have you read him yet? — Thorongil
Everything becomes mere metaphor. — Thorongil
traditionally and normatively understood — Thorongil
I don't think you know what you're talking about. — Thorongil
isn't necessary. Lots of people don't know what they talk about. — Frank Barroso
If God exists and He is all good and all powerful why does He allow evil? If there is no satisfactory answer to this question does it disprove God? — MysticMonist
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