• Hachem
    384
    Light Polarization

    is a phenomenon I still have no explanation for. (there are of course many more of those!)

    Everybody knows the effect of a polarization filter. It enables you, among other things, to take a picture through a closed window without annoying reflections. It also reduces sun glare.

    The most intriguing effect is shown by a very old film clip by the renowned scientist sir Lawrence Bragg.

    What I find really puzzling is the experiment where a light beam appears or disappears, not totally, that would be still explainable, but only in the horizontal or vertical direction. (around the 9th minute)

    With the use of a mirror Bragg shines a beam through a liquid tank and we can see the beam going through the tank and being reflected by the mirror.

    But then, and that is a complete mystery to me, by using polarizing filters, he makes the beam shine only through the water, but not on the mirror. Or vice versa.

    The explanation Bragg gives is more confounding than anything else.

    It has, he says, to do with vibrations perpendicular to the direction of the beam. The filter allows sometimes horizontal, and other times vertical vibrations. And that would explain why we sometimes see the beam, and sometimes not.

    This is a very peculiar model of vision that is only used when dealing with polarization. In all other cases, scientists prefer the model in which light rays go into the eye directly.

    The problem with this last model is that it would be of no help at all. After all, saying that we do not see the beam because the rays are not reaching our eyes, would not be very helpful.

    What we want to know, is why the rays are not reaching our eyes. In fact, we would like to know even why the rays are reaching our eyes when the beam is directed in another direction.

    The idea is that, somehow, there are rays, or waves, sometimes reaching our eyes, and sometimes not. Even if they remain invisible unless they impinge on our retina.

    I do not find this explanation very convincing. If you look at the beams used by Bragg, and laser beams as they are used now, it would be very difficult to believe that anything is propagated sideways.

    As I have also indicated elsewhere, since beams that are not directed towards us are visible from very large distances, we would have to assume that each beam, whatever its direction, propagates rays, waves, photons, or whatnot, in all directions.

    This would be quite contradictory with the Huygens Principle that states, freely translated, that a light wave can go on indefinitely because everything is at the service of the main wave.

    It would also make of vision an unexplained mystery. How can rays that are unable to be reflected off the liquid beyond a certain distance, ever reach our eyes?

    Imagine you are submerged in a large swimming pool and you are looking at two people some meters away, shining laser beams at each other.

    If we assume that you are able to see those beams as they go through the water, shouldn't you be able to see the rays that enter your eyes and make you see the beams?

    Also, Bragg's explanation is really strange as an explanation of vision for the simple reason that vibrations in themselves do not explain vision. Nor do electric or magnetic fields.

    We can only see electromagnetic forces when other matter is involved, we never see the force or the field itself.

    So, vibrations just don't cut it.

    But then, what?

    Honestly, I do not know.
  • fdrake
    6.6k
    Try this and then this for an introduction to how polarisation works.
  • Hachem
    384

    I know what is said about polarization. It just does not convince me.
  • fdrake
    6.6k
    All of your threads are lists of questions that perplex you but which you assume are fundamental problems with contemporary physics. Is it then surprising when someone who is not completely perplexed by these aspects of physics disagrees with you or tries to show you material to better inform you?

    If you're that convinced by the power of your questions, write them up as papers and submit them to a relevant journal. Or alternatively email your questions to a researcher who is likely to know how to answer them.

    Even if people in these threads, self included, can't answer every part of your confusion with some scientific claims, that doesn't show that your confusion is anything but a result of not understanding the material. This is a general purpose philosophy forum, not one where people are going to have much of an understanding of optics or quantum mechanics- though there are probably a few people on here who've seen some of both in university.
  • Hachem
    384

    I would kindly suggest you stop reading my threads since they only seem to aggravate you.
  • Hachem
    384
    Vibrations and Visibility

    This drawing is supposed to explain how light is reflected in different directions.

    It is in fact a formalization of the more popular explanation presented by Bragg to a general audience.

    Here is what I still find puzzling:

    Whether light is reflected vertically (towards the mirror), or horizontally (towards the camera), it should be visible from both perspectives.

    Imagine bright rays shining vertically, and others shining horizontally, wouldn't you face the same bright rectangle in both cases?
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