You are likely right that the main idea, as much as Lynch would be that concrete, is life is more like a dream (or that's a refreshingly different way to understand it). — apokrisis
So it is not surrealism as shock and surprise, but surrealism as relief and antidote. — apokrisis
The question, for instance, of why Cooper's face is super-imposed on this scene, and eventually says "we live inside a dream" at half-speed, is a question that's never resolved in the show. What this scene does is create a mood, and a general feeling of nausea, which is definitely a theme in the last two episodes of the show.
This brings up an interesting philosophical problem: does art reflect reality? Should it? Does art carry an intrinsic message?
OK, he starts to dream, unaware that he is dreaming, then he sees the clock running backwards and he realizes that he is dreaming, his slow motion realization is that he is dreaming, at which point his face is super-imposed to suggest that he is aware of what is happening in his dream. Then as his dream progresses he loses this awareness of dreaming and the super-imposed image is gone. — Cavacava
Do you believe Lynch, does he have any right (authorial intent fallacy) or is his interpretation as valid as any other interpretation? — Cavacava
I think Art necessary starts with reality and then transcends it to become what it is, whatever that is, a reflection, a message, a dream... — Cavacava
[aesthetic] stems from what we see in nature, but that does not limit it, rather nature forms the basis from which our imagination works. — Cavacava
We can discuss it, if you are looking for a full blown theory then no. — Cavacava
I think natural beauty is where all art starts. Our fascination with of what we see around us, what interests us with no purpose — Cavacava
If it had a purpose then it could not be beautiful, because what is beautiful must be beautiful as such with no ulterior motive or interest beyond itself as it is. — Cavacava
We can discuss it, if you are looking for a full blown theory then no. I think natural beauty is where all art starts. Our fascination with of what we see around us, what interests us with no purpose such as a sunset, the ocean, the sky and on and on, I think man takes from nature and transcends nature in art, producing something of higher value to others, a different kind then what is found in nature. — Cavacava
If you look at the progression of a painter's works, especially early 20th century painters, there is a strong tendency to start with nature and then simplify it, following and contributing to the trends of other painters, some of these painters eventual produce something that has little visible relationship with nature. An example of this kind of progression are the works of Piet Mondrian. — Cavacava
We, the observers are as necessary as the artist, as the work, as the whole history of art. — Cavacava
But what fascinates, what sets our imagination on fire is the work it self (not its context but certainly its contents) — Cavacava
Since all experiences are different there is no single correct interpretation as I said previously and as I think we have discussed in the past the experience of a work of art depends on how in tune one is with the work. — Cavacava
No, I only let you ask me questions in bad faith. Hope that's okay with you.Can I ask a question in good faith? — Noble Dust
Yes, I would say it is nihilistic from the clips and the way you describe it (I haven't watched the show). It tries to portray things as meaningless and not tied together - as senseless. But that's just one way to experience life. Some people experience life as inherently meaningful, and weave stories around their experiences such that they make sense.Is this sort of surrealism-made-real philosophically nihilistic? The ending to this new season, for instance, was sickening; I literally felt sick after watching it and had trouble sleeping that night. Not because of any horror element, but because of the element of the unknowable; the meaninglessness that seemed to permeate the finale. — Noble Dust
Can I ask a question in good faith? Why is it that when it comes to aesthetics, us philosophy types are suddenly beholden to personal experience? — Noble Dust
I think natural beauty is where all art starts. Our fascination with of what we see around us, what interests us with no purpose such as a sunset, the ocean, the sky and on and on, I think man takes from nature and transcends nature in art, producing something of higher value to others, a different kind then what is found in nature. — Cavacava
It tries to portray things as meaningless and not tied together - as senseless. But that's just one way to experience life. Some people experience life as inherently meaningful, and weave stories around their experiences such that they make sense. — Agustino
I always think there should be more on the philosophy of dreams anyway. Some too easily take verdical experience and a strong distinction between dreams and waking reality as a self-evident proposition. — JupiterJess
A lot of it did make sense and it needs to be remembered there are two authors to it. Mark Frost had a lot of input. — JupiterJess
here's my aesthetics. Four types of art 1) Stuff that moves me. 2) Stuff I don't get, but that I can see has value or know that people whose judgment I respect think it does. 3) Stuff about which I don't have an opinion. 4)Crap. — T Clark
Like this?I'm with you! — Noble Dust
I think the tying up of plot points is largely subjective, something that we have to do, it's not done for us. Nobody is going to tell you why you had the experiences you did - it's up to you to tie them together.and it's truer to real life; our lives aren't the equivalent of a 2 hour Hollywood blockbuster; all the plot points of our lives don't get tied up nicely. — Noble Dust
Yep, but so much ado about nothing :PI think Lynch would agree with you. :P — Noble Dust
Neither! Rather the point that we are responsible to create the narrative of our lives. It's really quite a trivial point in the end. I suppose for other people it may not be, but if you've thought a long time about this, you know that this is the case.What, this thread, or the show? — Noble Dust
So how come your philosophy in general doesn't follow those types? Or does it? — Noble Dust
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