• TranscendedRealms
    126
    Many people would tell you that, if you want your life to have good value, joy, beauty, love, and worth, to have a positive mindset where you believe that your life is good, beautiful, joyful, loving, and worth living. But it was never about the mindsets (our ways of thinking) themselves because they, themselves, do not actually give our lives any real good value, bad value, or worth. This is because having a positive or negative mindset is not any real positive or negative quality and, thus, no real good or bad value in your life. It would be no different than water.

    Water is an actual quality and having the belief/mindset that you have it in your life would not give you any real water. In order to have water in your life, then you need actual water. With this being said, what would be the real positive and negative quality? It would be our positive and negative emotions. Positive emotions would be biochemical induced states such as a feeling of excitement or joy from getting a new movie or a feeling of love.

    Negative emotions would be something such as a feeling of despair, anger, sadness, or misery. Again, mindsets themselves are not the same thing as emotions. If you struggled with depression or misery, then just thinking to yourself that you are having a positive emotional state such as feeling excited to go to the carnival would not give you any real excitement. That is, thinking and believing you are excited is not the same thing as actually being excited.

    The same idea applies to having good and bad value in our lives. The positive and negative qualities (our positive and negative emotions) would be qualities of good and bad. So, if you wanted your life to have the greatest good value, then you would need to be in the most blissful state of your life. Likewise, if you wanted your life to have the worst value, then you would need to be in the worst negative emotional state of your life.

    But who would want their lives to be the worst? I know I wouldn't. With all of this being said, even though positive and negative emotions are the only real good and bad in our lives, making wise decisions should still not be dismissed. For example, during my worst miserable moments, I have still chosen to get the help I needed. Likewise, during my most blissful moments, I have chosen to not do anything reckless.

    I think only stupid people would use this whole idea of our emotions being the real good and bad as a means to do reckless and harmful things to themselves and/or others around them. One last thing here and this is an important question. Isn't everything I have just said here something we already know for a scientific fact? Wouldn't the qualities of good and bad have to be a scientific definition of good and bad?

    Furthermore, wouldn't this also mean that all those famous and genius artists out there who have struggled with misery, depression, and despair had no real good value, worth, and beauty in their lives through creating their works of art regardless of what they believed otherwise? They would need at least a small degree of positive emotions mixed in with their misery to give them some good values in their lives.

    If that is so, then positive emotions are the only way to live and they are the only way to be an artist since they are the only things that can truly make our lives and artistic endeavors good, beautiful, and worth living for. My own personal experience supports this quite well. I have struggled for 10 years with the worst misery and hopelessness induced by stressful life events and obsessive thinking. They were the worst negative emotional states of my life.

    During that whole entire time, not a single moment was any real good value, beauty, joy, or worth in my life regardless of the fact that I believed certain things still had those said values such as the idea of getting the help I needed. After all, me getting the help I needed to regain my positive emotions would certainly be a good and beautiful thing for a hedonist such as myself. But the fact that there was no real good values in my life at all supports this whole idea I've just talked about.

    But the moment I have fully recovered from such miserable states was the moment all of the good values were, in a way, magically brought back into my life again which supports the idea that there is something more that gives our lives good value than our mindsets. It would have to be the good quality (my positive emotions) being restored back into my life again.

    It was like I was someone deprived of the sacred water of goodness I needed in my life and personally defining it to be there didn't work for me since it wasn't the real sacred water. It is only once I have fully recovered that this sacred water, metaphorically speaking, has returned back into my life again. It was like there was something blocking the flow of it in my life which created a drought. Recovering was like getting rid of that blockage and, thus, allowing the flow of this sacred water back into my life again. To conclude this portion of my packet, everything I have said in this packet and in my book supports the hedonistic worldview/philosophy.

    Hedonism is the idea that our positive emotions are the real good to our lives and that our negative emotions are the real bad to our lives. In essence, pursue as much pleasure as you can and avoid as much pain as you can since pleasure is what gives our lives good value and pain is what gives our lives bad value. We can only see the good value in life through pleasure (the positive/good quality mental state) and we can only see the bad value in life through pain (the negative/bad quality mental state). Even so, we should still make wise decisions and choices as I said earlier to bring our lives the greatest pleasure and the least pain.
  • BC
    13.6k
    Feelings are very important elements of our lives, but isn't it the case that the good or bad value of our lives comes from actions, rather than our feelings?

    Having an abundance of good feelings (happiness, joy, love...) is much better than having a surfeit of wretchedness and misery. The value of our lives -- as perceived by others, certainly, and ourselves -- is a product of our works. Someone who vegetates in a state of bliss isn't doing anything for anyone else. And someone who feels like death warmed over -- but who also performs service to others -- has a more valuable life -- yes?
  • TranscendedRealms
    126


    I still don't agree. Let me post a conversation I had which gets my point across:

    Other Person's Response: Feelings are very important elements of our lives, but isn't it the case that the good or bad value of our lives comes from actions, rather than our feelings?

    Having an abundance of good feelings (happiness, joy, love...) is much better than having a surfeit of wretchedness and misery. The value of our lives -- as perceived by others, certainly, and ourselves -- is a product of our works. Someone who vegetates in a state of bliss isn't doing anything for anyone else. And someone who feels like death warmed over -- but who also performs service to others -- has a more valuable life -- yes?

    My Reply: I still don't agree and I will never agree no matter what anyone says. My reasons are as follows. Continue reading this Q&A section which explains why.

    Other Person's Response: "Good" and "bad" are subjective judgments based on personal preference. There was someone on here a little while ago that said she didn't like happiness. It's up to the individual to decide things like good, bad and worth.

    My Reply: She would have to be delusional then. That, or she actually had a negative emotion on some small level even though she did not realize it. Another possibility would be that the positive and negative qualities have taken on a different form for her besides her positive emotions (happiness) and negative emotions. But I doubt that based upon my own personal experience. My life (conscious/mental reality) was literally the worst hell and completely devoid of any real good value, joy, worth, and beauty during those miserable/hopeless moments.

    Therefore, I think positive and negative emotions truly are the only real positive and negative qualities and that people are just deluding themselves otherwise. I am not necessarily saying that she is delusional though. She could have another form of this inner positive quality as I said before. But, based upon my own personal experience, my positive emotions are my only inner light.

    Other Person's Response: Comments regarding the meaningless or worthlessness of life if your "worldview" were true would necessarily be limited to describing your own life's meaningless or worthlessness.

    My Reply: I metaphorically described the positive and negative qualities as being the inner light and the inner darkness. The inner light and the inner darkness is a well known metaphor presented in many movies, anime, and t.v. shows. Without the inner light, then we could have nothing but the inner darkness or neither light nor darkness. So, I think you are wrong here. We all need the inner light to make our lives truly good and beautiful. Otherwise, it is truly no way to live or be an artist.

    Other Person's Response: You know it's true when anime says so. Now, where did I leave my tentacles........

    My Reply: Again, it is a metaphor for life itself which holds true. Just because the positive quality is literally depicted as an inner angelic light in these anime shows does not dismiss the message that these anime are conveying. They are conveying the message that we all need the inner positive quality in our lives to truly make our lives good and beautiful. So, these anime are actually conveying a realistic message.

    It would be no different than how anime convey messages of love and friendship through battling mystical beasts or through acquiring mystical powers. I mean, the real message is still there despite the mystical elements. One last thing here. Sure, you might see certain anime characters surrounded by dark aura which indicates the inner darkness and, sure, they might have done kind deeds and whatnot despite that inner darkness.

    This character might have even believed it to be a good and beautiful thing to perform these kind deeds. But this character would need at least some of the inner light in his/her inner universe to allow him/her to truly perceive it as being a good and beautiful thing to help these people. The darkness would actually be blinding this character from truly seeing the good value and beauty of life and in the helping of others. That is why this character would need at least a little bit of inner light to see a bit through that darkness.

    Another example would be characters trapped inside a dark void of emptiness and despair. This is a dark void separated from all joy, beauty, and goodness. These characters, while in this void, can believe all they want to that their friends, family, nature, the universe, etc. are still good, beautiful, and worthwhile things. But these characters are still in a state of mind where their lives are completely empty and devoid of any goodness, joy, and beauty.

    It would be like souls trapped in the realm of darkness. These souls can believe all they want that things are still good and beautiful. But they are trapped in the dark realm and, thus, they have no light to allow them to truly see the goodness, worth, and beauty of those things. Again, all of this is just a metaphor to get my point across. It still gives an accurate representation of reality. If you want an analogy/metaphor that is based on reality, then I will give it to you. It would be like you are in a pitch black cave. You can believe all you want to that there is gold inside that cave.

    But you need some light to see that gold. The more light you have, the more the gold shines. The less light you have, the less this gold shines. That is, the more light you have, the more you are able to see that gold and the less light you have, the less you are able to see that gold. With all of this being said, our beliefs, attitudes, and mindsets alone are not the inner light to our lives. There is something that goes beyond that and that is what we truly need in our lives. It is the true inner light and not some counterfeit.

    Unfortunately, if there are a number of factors in your life that take away your inner light such as the factors that take away our positive emotions (i.e. depression, misery, brain damage, etc.), then you are at a disadvantage just as how a person who is in a pitch black cave would be at a disadvantage if the light or torch he had grew dimmer and dimmer due to a number of factors such as insufficient fuel or low batteries in his/her flashlight. If this person was relying on the light of daytime to see the gold in that dark cave, then the factor that would dim the light would be the day becoming night.

    Now, this whole concept also applies to the bad value in your life. As long as you have nothing but the inner light, then you are blinded by the light and you cannot see anything bad. You would be in nothing but a state of pure joy, love, beauty, and goodness and you cannot be in any state of misery, despair, torment, suffering, agony, badness, etc. To conclude and recap, I think our positive emotions (aka happiness) is the only inner light we as human beings have to allow us to see the good value, joy, beauty, love, and worth of things in our lives.

    Other Person's Response: Could you give me an example of people who think that their positive emotions are the inner light to their lives as you claim?

    My Reply: There are many people out there who struggle with depression. Many hate their lives and they just want to die. They say that having a positive mindset does nothing for them. This supports my worldview quite well because these depressed people are only expressing the truth here. They are merely expressing the need for the inner light back into their lives again.
  • Agustino
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    Someone who vegetates in a state of bliss isn't doing anything for anyone else. And someone who feels like death warmed over -- but who also performs service to others -- has a more valuable life -- yes?Bitter Crank
    Not necessarily, that's only assuming that there is something that should or has to be done.
  • TheMadFool
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    Can a positive mindset be based on truth? If yes then a positive mindset is good
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