What if I punch myself? Is that perception? How does it differ from kicking a rock? Am I beholding a mental construct of myself? Am I experiencing myself or a mental construct of myself? — creativesoul
Nobody has talked about the worst argument ever from Stove that Street linked to. — Marchesk
Perception and experience in the sense Marchesk put forth are a catch-all for everything and anything mental... — creativesoul
If so then what other mental agencies are constitutive of experience and how do they affect experience, isn't that the point. — Cavacava
I meant experience to mean anything we're conscious of, which includes mental images. Sometimes those are the result of perception, and sometimes other faculties, such as dreaming — Marchesk
What is complex, what is simple? Depends what you are doing. — Banno
That all depends upon how the person talks about it. — creativesoul
So perception is not equivalent to experience. — creativesoul
perception is one kind of experience. — Marchesk
Is experience something that 'exists' regardless of whether or not the agent is aware of it, or must the agent be conscious? If it must be conscious, need it be conscious of the fact that it's doing something? Need it be self-conscious?
Yet still, there would remain a difference between seeing a real tree and seeing a virtual tree; one is real, the other virtual. — Banno
I'm experiencing pain when I stub my toe on a rock. Seems you want to say that I'm experiencing the rock. — creativesoul
While it may well look different to each of us, we do not each see a different tree — Banno
So I think most of the disagreements are people talking past each other. — Michael
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