I hope I have given an intuitive [my emphasis] and easily-applicable ethical system, as well as a persuasive case for antinatalism. — darthbarracuda
I would say you have no obligation to either bring pleasure to, or remove pain from, others, your obligation is only to refrain from (to the best of your knowledge and ability) removing their pleasure or bringing their pain.
Of course this is not to say that you should not help someone who is suffering when it is within your power, or that you should not give someone what they want, if it is within your power to know what that is, as well as to give it to them, and if you judge that what they want will truly benefit them, and not harm others. — John
You certainly have no right to bring millions of others into existence, regardless of whether it is to bring them to experience pleasure or pain. — John
Is that what your argument rests on? An intuitive acceptance of your claim that we have a duty to not prevent pleasure and a duty to not impose pain?
Or are these claims something that can actually be supported? — Michael
1) Why do you think morality is (at least partly) about consequences?
2) Why do you think pleasure is good and pain is bad?
3) In what sense is the problem with life "structural", given your responses to (1) and (2)? — Sinderion
That's why I mentioned ceteris paribus cases. — darthbarracuda
I would argue that we have no right to bring millions of people into an existence of suffering, but we at the very least have no constraints upon bringing millions of people into an existence of pleasure. If these people go on to have an objectively good life, I see no reason to call this immoral. However we can't know if they will have a good life and we have to look at the worst-case scenario. — darthbarracuda
I don't see how 'other things being equal' applies here. Can you explain? — John
But that's the whole point of why I said we have no right to intentionally bring millions of people into existence ( by mass-cloning, say?), because we cannot know whether their lives would be predominately pleasurable or painful.
It's bad enough that we indulge in mass-breeding of animals! — John
This makes sense to me!
It's hard to be an antinatalist when your friends are all having kids though :’( — csalisbury
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