Maybe you could remedy that?That's true, I didn't give examples in OP. — Henri
Your argument is essentially this... — ProbablyTrue
Maybe you could give examples? — ProbablyTrue
That's true, I didn't give examples in OP.
The problem is that all the arguments I have read or heard are flawed. I would have to list them all and then explain them all. Or I would have to list them all for me privately, and then somehow rank them and explain most prominent or most regular ones. I could have done that, but I didn't.
This thread has some decent number of posts, though, and I haven't seen one reasonable argument to deny existence of God.
And again, I am not even arguing for the existence of God here. A position of neutral agnosticism can be reasonably argued, as I see it. — Henri
Earlier you told me that the evidence for God is not natural, but super-natural. You do realize how silly that sounds right? Let me guess what you really mean by supernatural evidence: "evidence that I am unable to explain, share, or demonstrate exists; it's rationally useless". — VagabondSpectre
Are you saying that majority of atheists are equally unsure of both God creating the world and the world coming to existence by some form of chance or unconscious process lead by big bang and evolution? Are you saying they are equally rigorous towards both claims? — Henri
As I have written couple of times, I exclude that group. But I don't think that majority of people who consciously regard themselves as atheists, and publicly so, are in that group. — Henri
One of the definitions of an atheist is that it's "the person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods". Yes, there are broader and less broader definitions. So? I am using one of the public definitions and I am reffering to people who don't believe in the existence of God. Those people, by the way, have at least some thoughts about origin of life, since they have already been thinking whether God exists or not, and no surprise, they mostly believe in or favor materialistic explanation of existence including big bang, evolution and other similar stuff. You know, all the stuff they have been listening during all the years of their education. What are you up about then?
And I never even once mentioned the term hard atheist, by the way. — Henri
I can explain supernatural experiences I've had. But I really won't do it here. It's no evidence to you anyway. I could have a natural experience about something, for example I could feel suspicion towards something, but I can't prove to you that some time ago I felt that suspicion — Henri
That's true, I didn't give examples in OP. — Henri
And, by the end of this post, you still haven't provided an example. — Akanthinos
I did, by replying to various posts on this thread. — Henri
So your evidence for God is that you suspected it existed some time ago? — VagabondSpectre
You want to be able to freely deny God however you like, and publicly so, but when time comes for some accountability, for some examination of your thoughts, then all of a sudden let's talk definitions because atheists in fact are not hard, they are soft, etc. Build some spine, man. — Henri
Are those definitions of a soft-atheist good enough? — Henri
That kind of an atheist is part of my OP. He or she still doesn't believe that God exists, regardless of how open they are to change their minds sometime in the future. Today their minds aren't changed and they don't believe or think that God exists.
I say they came to that conclusion through unreasonable thought process. — Henri
Anyway, I don't really have to share my experience with you. Whatever I would share here would probably go to waste, so I am not going to do it. — Henri
But, again, this thread is not about proving that God exists. — Henri
Banno said: "If God exists, His brilliance, His presence, ought be so all-encompasing as to be utterly undeniable." — Henri
you are quite right that if your premise is that God exists, then the existence of atheists is quite an extraordinary thing. Given the perfection of the world is such that god is, for you , undeniable, denying god must call for an extraordinary irrationality. — Banno
As far as I have seen what you've written here, you seem more like a person who believes that God exists but doesn't like Him, than that you don't believe that God exists. — Henri
You just don't have good understanding of God's word, that's all. Your conclusions about God's character are flawed. — Henri
Just provide one single reasonable argument in favor of the non-existence of God. Not a single one has been provided here yet, and not only that, I don't think I have ever heard or read such a thing. — Henri
And my conclusion is that theists, both in general and those most prominent ones, are:
1) quite unreasonable in interpreting what nature provides as clues for or against God
2) quite unreasonable in their reasoning about God — Banno
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