No, if you read the statements I've made you would see that I simply want to create jobs in logic
Oh and vive la revolution! — Myttenar
Those who have the skills and mental training to solve complex problems are never even consulted in times of crisis. In allowing this, as members of the society with intelligence quotients in the top percentiles of the population, we are allowing those without the critical thinking training, those with closed minds and prejudiced attitudes to make decisions that any society other than ours would designate to those of great knowledge. — Myttenar
Philosophers are misplaced in society because they should have been the ones to engineer the society with logic — Myttenar
evil men rule the world if good men do nothing. — Myttenar
You forgot rule by idea
And the mechanism for rule does matter if society is to prosper not implode. — Myttenar
Do elaborate — Aurora
I like your view on this subject. But, I honestly think Darwin had it backwards. In this world, the idiots survive, the idiots prosper, and the idiots make decisions for the intelligent.
Now, whether or not the intelligent are the "fittest" or the "weakest" is up for debate — Aurora
I'm surprised to see an attack like this from you, honestly. — Aurora
Just out of curiosity, do you see yourself as one of those who could appropriately be chosen to govern? — T Clark
An important fact of rhetoric - your temperate response to my comments has made me reexamine them more than other, more heated responses. — T Clark
Ok, let's get to the point.
Were you offended by my claim that the majority (who survive and prosper) are idiots ? If so, I assume you disagree. Help me understand. — Aurora
I've tried to make it clear why I disagree with them so strongly. What more do I have to explain? — T Clark
do you recognize the problem that the statement calls our attention to and if so, is there a logical process that can be considered to improve the problem that you perceive? — Myttenar
This is an abysmally lazy statement, and crude too -- no sign of refined thinking on your part. You and Myttenar too — Bitter Crank
Just something that has bothered me for quite some time, the undervalued and unappreciated philosophers, critical thinkers and logic officers that study reason and logic but who do not have a place in society. Instead of coordinating and collaborating with scientists the people we train to think fight for jobs like web designers and such. Those who have the skills and mental training to solve complex problems are never even consulted in times of crisis. In allowing this, as members of the society with intelligence quotients in the top percentiles of the population, we are allowing those without the critical thinking training, those with closed minds and prejudiced attitudes to make decisions that any society other than ours would designate to those of great knowledge. Our society tells our critical thinkers that philosophy won't make much money career wise and people vote for a guy like trump in the states because they think he will make good decisions for a country. That is how the stupidity of our society is reflected poorly on the philosophy community. If I could have the answer to any question it would be how to offer jobs in philosophy that philosophers can achieve and earn while contributing to society since we are not even consulted at the moment.
Jobs in philosophy. That'd be nice — Myttenar
"Plato proposed a society governed by philosophers, but of course the problem would be, how does one get from here to there?" — Michael Ossipoff
Just out of curiosity, do you see yourself as one of those who could appropriately be chosen to govern? — T Clark
From my experience there are few that choose to logically build ideas. — Myttenar
Without the tedious and exhausting labor of the many, there would be no survival of the few. — Bitter Crank
People mostly care about power, influence, prestige, status, wealth, etc. — WISDOMfromPO-MO
It sounds like childish narcissism, to be honest. — WISDOMfromPO-MO
Apparently people can't be happy with being good at something and being fairly compensated for it. Apparently people can't be happy unless what they are good at enjoys high social status, is allowed to have greater influence in public policy, and is widely recognized for its greatness. — WISDOMfromPO-MO
I think they are so obsessed. Sure, they're not obsessed with power on a large scale, absolutely not. They can care less about it. But they are obsessed with power over their husbands, over their children, over their local community, etc. And they are often more draconian, perfidious and demanding when it comes to this sort of power than those who strive for power on a grand scale. Those who strive for power on a grand scale do get, sooner or later, a sense of their own smallness and vulnerability which persists, regardless of how powerful they become. Take people like Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, and the like. Sure, there are also Neros out there, but they are an exception I would say.It would be, except that I don't think most people are so obsessed. — Bitter Crank
The small minority obsessed with power, influence, prestige, money etc. can be troublesome, depending on their characters. But more often than not, they happen to be less troublesome and less draconian than the relatively uninfluential who strive after influence even on a small level.Some, a small minority, really are obsessed with power, influence, prestige, status, wealth, etc. and they are a troublesome lot. — Bitter Crank
I agree with BC - this is nonsense. Just because you're not smart enough to figure out a way to rule and replace whoever you claim the idiots are, it doesn't mean that the world is by necessity ruled by idiots. It just means you're failing. There comes a time when one gets sick and tired of hearing people complain about politicians, etc. - why don't you go replace them eh? They're idiots afterall - it shouldn't be hard for you, given that you see the truth - to take power should it? If even the blind - those who do not see the truth - take power, why can't the enlightened ones? If they are so virtuous and strong, this should be child play for them, a warm-up. A real man or woman does not complain, he or she goes out there to change the world - precisely because they are smart and enlightened and have an advantage over everyone else who is blind and foolish.So, sadly, it is almost by necessity that is world is ruled by fucking idiots. Those who see the truth would want nothing to do with this world. — Aurora
(Y)This is an abysmally lazy statement, and crude too -- no sign of refined thinking on your part. You and Myttenar too, — Bitter Crank
I agree. But theory and ideas are required to shape and change the world. Very many people discount books & study as a valid way of affecting the world, but I actually think that the learned are more powerful than the unlearned in shaping the world. Depending on the learning of course. It needs to be done with pragmatic aims in mind.The rarified philosopher may be very deficient and impoverished in his understanding of the physical world. — Bitter Crank
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