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          sime
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          unenlightened
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         This question, along with other Humean problems of induction can be thrown out by replying that essences and the notion of necessity are normative notions pertaining to what we say and do rather than referring to independently intuited features that the individual sees.
Which I suppose is complementary to the empirical idea of epistemic selection. — sime
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          Metaphysician Undercover
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          Saphsin
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          Galuchat
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          unenlightened
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         The idea is that such kinds are naturally emergent, at is were, and not a function of any kind of pre-established harmony, if I can use that Humeian term. — StreetlightX
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Banno         
         "Essence is expressed in grammar" (PI, §371) — StreetlightX
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         But I don't think that this is the case with §371. I think instead that this fits with my ongoing criticism of Metaphysician Undercover; that what was once thought of in terms of essence is better thought of in terms of use - grammar being the rules of use. — Banno
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         "if a lion could speak, we could not understand him" — StreetlightX
If I see someone writhing in pain with evident causeI do not think: all the same, his feelings are hidden from me
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         If I see a lion writhing in pain with evident cause, do I think: all the same, the lion's feelings are hidden from me?
No. — Banno
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          Banno
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         I'd even go further and say, even before we are able to recognise that the lion is indeed speaking, we'll understand that some of what he is doing is saying stuff. Even if we can't know what it is. — Akanthinos
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Banno         
         My understanding makes following a rule neither correct nor incorrect, allowing that the rule itself may be judged as correct or incorrect. — Metaphysician Undercover
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          Shawn
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          Banno
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          Banno
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         This is a nice way to link our embodiment with language in a way that is I think often overlooked, and which was intuited by Wittgenstein in his remark on the lion. — StreetlightX
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         ...and how, exactly, is that? Work through it. — Banno
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         I was struck a long time ago by the image : An animal behaviorist was speaking of a relationship established by a black panther and a labrador, brought in to help the panther with her depression. The behaviourist kept insisting how the language games played by both were not, at all, the same as either those that would occur between panthers or labs, and not even really a mixture of both. The strength discrepency between the two was so large that they both had to develop a new set of communicative behaviours in order to interact. — Akanthinos
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