The question is: even though I'm separated from by an unimaginable distance, — Purple Pond
and we belong to different universes, am I the same person? — Purple Pond
Why can't separate entities be the same? — Purple Pond
Do you think you can provide a link? — Purple Pond
Are human beings like a process? If so, what would be analogous to the single "program code"?In any event, you would be two different people. It's no different than running the Chrome browser on millions of different computers. There's only one Chrome browser, namely the program code. But there are millions of individual instances of the Chrome browser. In computer science it's the difference between program and process. — fishfry
Are human beings like a process? If so, what would be analogous to the single "program code"? — Purple Pond
Two humans with different memories and experiences must be different people. Got it.The analogy I'm trying to get at is that at the moment of cloning/replicating, you have two individual humans who have the same memories and experiences. Their experiences immediately start to diverge. — fishfry
Suppose that there are an infinite amount of universes and that everything that can happen does happen in some universe. So there's a universe just like ours with a planet identical to earth (lets call it earth-2), and everything on earth-2 is identical to earth to the last atom. So there's a Purple Pond user just like me typing this thought experiment. I'm atom for atom identical to the Purple Pond on this different universe. The question is: even though I'm separated from by an unimaginable distance, and we belong to different universes, am I the same person? — Purple Pond
Two humans with different memories and experiences must be different people. Got it. — Purple Pond
You can talk about two things that happen to be one, like Hesperus (the evening star) and Phosphors (the morning star). Both of which incidentally turns out to be Venus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HesperusWell if they're two humans then they're not one human. So your statement's a bit unclear. — fishfry
When did the cloned person come into existence? If it's the moment of cloning then he couldn't have shared all the experiences up to the moment of cloning.If a human is cloned, that results in two different people who shared all experiences, inner and outer, up to the moment of cloning. — fishfry
I don't know. I guess it's logically possible.But the idea that there are two universes that are identical seems a little different from the usual conception of the multiverse, in which each universe represents a different state of matter. Does multiverse theory allow for identical yet distinct universes? — fishfry
You can talk about two things that happen to be one, like Hesperus (the evening star) and Phosphors (the morning star). Both of which incidentally turns out to be Venus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesperus — Purple Pond
When did the cloned person come into existence? If it's the moment of cloning then he couldn't have shared all the experiences up to the moment of cloning. — Purple Pond
...am I the same person?
Suppose that there are an infinite amount of universes and that everything that can happen does happen in some universe. So there's a universe just like ours with a planet identical to earth (lets call it earth-2), and everything on earth-2 is identical to earth to the last atom. So there's a Purple Pond user just like me typing this thought experiment. I'm atom for atom identical to the Purple Pond on this different universe. The question is: even though I'm separated from by an unimaginable distance, and we belong to different universes, am I the same person? — Purple Pond
It would also be equally unlikely that we are on another planet. In an infinite multiverse everything that happens will be extremely unlikely. But just because something is unlikely doesn't give you justification for believing it's not true. Unlikely things happen all the time.Also, if there are an infinite number of universes, it is infinitely unlikely we are on Earth-1. — T Clark
It would also be equally unlikely that we are on another planet. In an infinite multiverse everything that happens will be extremely unlikely. But just because something is unlikely doesn't give you justification for believing it's not true. Unlikely things happen all the time. — Purple Pond
This is the kind of question that gives philosophy a bad name — T Clark
But there's is no cloned pair before the cloning process has begun. There's only one person yet to be cloned. — Purple Pond
It would also be equally unlikely that we are on another planet. In an infinite multiverse everything that happens will be extremely unlikely. But just because something is unlikely doesn't give you justification for believing it's not true. Unlikely things happen all the time. — Purple Pond
I'm not willing to accept it unless there is ample evidence. I was just talking hypothetically in my OP. It's fun to talk about cosmilogical multiverses, even if there's no such thing.As I also mentioned in the other thread, there is no evidence for this cosmological multiverse, yet it is the one most people are quite willing to accept. — tom
Really? I thought the MWI of quantum mechanics was just that - an interpretation.On the other hand, there is overwhelming evidence for the quantum multiverse, yet this is supposed to be controversial. — tom
Anyways, back to the OP. Everyone agrees that they are different people (including me). So there's no point of discussing it anymore, unless you want to talk about something else. — Purple Pond
Really? I thought the MWI of quantum mechanics was just that - an interpretation. — Purple Pond
I find that hard to believe.
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