Brain is physical therefore brain state is physical state.
— bahman
What kind of physical state is? It's not solid, nor liquid, nor gas. — Purple Pond
That as I mentioned is related to hard problem of consciousness. It is not clear to philosopher that why we need consciousness in order to communicate for example.
— bahman
I don't agree that the so called "hard problem" is harder than the "easy problem". I believe that they are the same problem.
How is consciousness different than awareness? It's hard to imagine how we can communicate properly if we aren't aware of what's going on. — Purple Pond
I'll concede that brain states are physical states because your using the words "physical states" in a broad sense.The number of physical states is enormous, superconductivity, Superfluidity, solid, gas, liquid, etc. — bahman
So you don't think consciousness plays a role in communication?It is not difficult to imagine that since most of the things which we communicate is the result of unconscious mind activity. We just are conscious of them when we communicate — bahman
No we recall experience. — charleton
We experience ourselves continually in a way — charleton
BUT...I think it makes more sense to define experience as as an interaction with the outside world, not with just our memories as such. — charleton
1) we have experiences. — charleton
2) we can recall those experiences. — charleton
3) Recalling experience is not the same as experiencing a second time. — charleton
4) If we define experience as interaction with the outside world, then we avoid the confusion of thinking
we are experiencing experience. — charleton
How is consciousness different than awareness? It's hard to imagine how we can communicate properly if we aren't aware of what's going on.
I think you are contradicting yourself here. Do you mean that we can recall at the moment we experience something?
4) If we define experience as interaction with the outside world, then we avoid the confusion of thinking
we are experiencing experience.
— charleton
So you consider memory as external? — bahman
I agree that not everything we do is through awareness. But there's a lot we can't do unless we are aware. — Purple Pond
Can you tell us why awareness is needed?
— bahman
Because you can react to being aware of the way the world is rather than stimulus and response (knee jerk reactions). — Purple Pond
People say they do things unconsciously when they really mean is they do it without thinking. Were always conscious of our surroundings though we might not be thinking about it.Let me ask you the question another way: Have you ever done anything unconsciously? Of course yes, deriving for example. We however sometimes do things consciously too. What is the difference between these two cases? — bahman
People say they do things unconsciously when they really mean is they do it without thinking. Were always conscious of our surroundings though we might not be thinking about it. — Purple Pond
If you were totally unconscious when your driving you'd crash the car. — Purple Pond
We think in a language. When you are conscious of your thoughts you are aware of the voices inside your head. Let's forget about thinking since you believe it is an unconscious activity.. When we say we are are not doing things consciously what we really mean is that we aren't focused on what we do.I think that thinking is an unconscious activity. We just become aware of thoughts when they completely formed. — bahman
So you can vocalize and write precise the thoughts that you are focused on.I am not sure what is the use of consciousness when all the process for formation of a thought is done unconsciously. — bahman
I bet you can't do that in your sleep when you are not conscious.I can derive for miles thinking of other things. — bahman
I think that thinking is an unconscious activity. We just become aware of thoughts when they completely formed.
— bahman
We think in a language. When you are conscious of your thoughts you are aware of the voices inside your head. Let's forget about thinking since you believe it is an unconscious activity.. When we say we are are not doing things consciously, what we really mean is that we aren't focused on what we do. — Purple Pond
I am not sure what is the use of consciousness when all the process for formation of a thought is done unconsciously.
— bahman
So you can vocalize and write precise the thoughts that you are focused on. — Purple Pond
I can derive for miles thinking of other things.
— bahman
I bet you can't do that in your sleep when you are not conscious. — Purple Pond
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