In other words, why does shutting down the game console shut me (my consciousness) down as well, if my consciousness can exist independently of the game? — Panzerfaust
If consciousness isn't the product of the brain then why can we get knocked unconscious? — Panzerfaust
If someone were to damage the game console, causing it to shut down for a few moments, it wouldn't shut you down as well. You'd still be conscious, just not able to experience the game. — Panzerfaust
1) There is no account from 'occasionalism' which can account for a knock outOccasionalism, which holds that there is no causal relationship between the two substances, physical and mental
Idealism, which holds there is no physical brain at all, and the only substance that exists is mental.
Both are compatible with the observation that bumping someone on the head makes them lose consciousness. — darthbarracuda
But that's not what happens when I lose consciousness. I experience a blow to the head, immediately followed by waking up in hospital; there is no gap in experience, because I do not experience unconsciousness. Rather, a gap is proposed or imagined to explain the discontinuity.
I go to bed at night, and the game fast forwards to morning, or if it doesn't, I complain that I haven't slept a wink. One can even imagine the 'player' pausing the game for ten minutes or ten centuries for whatever reason, and returning to it with no loss of continuity. I, as the character being played, notice nothing. — unenlightened
So if we assume that time moves at a faster rate there, i.e., let's say that change is happening at T+1000 there, but it happens only at T+1 here, there would hardly be any gap between our unconscious states. — Sam26
If consciousness isn't the product of the brain then why can we get knocked unconscious? — Panzerfaust
it could be that it is separate but extremely weak without a brain and people who claim to have these out-of-body experiences are just able to separate for only a small amount of time because of the sheer weakness of the consciousness without an intelligent brain — David Solman
It is easy to see how the brain creates a virtual reality generating the qualia that we experience in consciousness. — lorenzo sleakes
While it is easy to see how a physical neuro-mechanism can generate the content of consciousness — lorenzo sleakes
It's so easy to see, that it is commonly known as the Hard Problem of Consciousness.
8 hours ago ReplyShare — tom
It is easy to see how an expanded physics or psychophysics can in theory correlate vibrations or patterns of energy with particular qualia such as colors and sounds and thereby for the brain to generate a virtual reality show.
The really hard problem is how the brain creates a private subjective world and for what reason if it is not efficacious. It is not only a hard problem it is probably an impossible problem if consciousness is not a product of the brain. — lorenzo sleakes
well yes that is my belief that the consciousness is very powerful — David Solman
well yes that is true but there are a lot of unexplained phenomena that suggests that we are capable of more advanced things — David Solman
We are each have different skills and capabilities as we have evolved differently (different inherited or inborn traits) which is to say we have different memories — Rich
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