Determinism is a fact of the universe it does not have an opinion. It's true whether you believe it or not. — charleton
It claims everything is already determined. — Rich
That sounds like fatalism, which is not the same thing as determinism. — WISDOMfromPO-MO
A difference in taste, that is all. — Rich
Determinism says that B is an effect of A; nothing more, nothing less — WISDOMfromPO-MO
There's no such thing as magic. — charleton
Determinism is a fact of the universe it does not have an opinion. It's true whether you believe it or not. — charleton
Why do you assume it does? It was merely meant to be an example of what might be true. — BlueBanana
You believe magic, I get it. — charleton
Nope. I do not have to hold a belief for determinism to be true. I just have to wake up every morning and note that the sun has not turned into a melon — charleton
None of this invalidates determinism in any way. It just means we do not yet have all the information necessary to predict 'stochastic' events — charleton
What are your arguments for not believing in determinisn again? That you dislike its implications? — BlueBanana
Determinism is a fact of the universe it does not have an opinion. It's true whether you believe it or not.
— charleton
So you believe. — BlueBanana
sun has not turned into a melon
— charleton
That's a strawman, indeterminism in no way implies those kinds of events happening. — BlueBanana
So a thought experiment is not an argument anymore because it's impossible? — BlueBanana
Knowledge is contingent on evidence; in this case inductive evidence. — charleton
I'm sorry to have to inform you but it does imply that.
Every day to go and expect your car to start you are relying on determinism. And if he fails to start then you rely on determinism to find a solution, such as you forgot to put petrol in it; or you need to change a spark plug. — charleton
Every day to go and expect your car to start you are relying on determinism. And if he fails to start then you rely on determinism to find a solution, such as you forgot to put petrol in it; or you need to change a spark plug. — charleton
So you have no opinion at all on what would happen in the case an observer was able to travel backwards in time? — BlueBanana
But you can, based on those patterns, make expectations and generalizations? — BlueBanana
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