Is she pregnant or not? What test was used? What was its accuracy? Will she carry to term? What was the purpose of the question about pregnancy and who was asking it, and who were they addressing? All these contextual things and many more go into any supposedly simple black and white yes or no question. — Joshs
They are a part of what the answer means.
Much more important than a yes or no to a question, is the significance of the distinction. What will happen as a consequence of the answer is a function of all the superordinate meanings and commitments, personal, social, cultural, that are tied up with it. Gay vs straight vs trams matters in a way that penis vs vagina do not, because they refer to deeper issues of meaning distinctions involving whole ways of behaving and societal reaction to them.
like the postmodernism generator. — czahar
it would teach us all a great deal if we had to spend a week in another persons shoes.
— charleton
A whole week! I thought walking in somebody's shoes for a mile was enough. — Bitter Crank
Sometimes one hears about a "post-racial society" and then something happens which pretty much obliterates the idea that we are anywhere close to being a post-racial society.
If we were a post-racial society, then we would think about race as much as people today think about phrenology - measuring the bumps and indentations in your skull to learn about one's personality. We don't think about phrenology. We are a post-phrenology society. Post racial? Not even close. — Bitter Crank
Among other things, there are not racial roles, but there definitely are gender roles. — WISDOMfromPO-MO
First of all, you need to school yourself in the difference between delusions and hallucinations. All knowledge is essential to self-understanding, and getting it right (true knowledge) is even more essential. What is being attacked is an assumption. What basis does anyone claim that they are a man or a woman, when they physically aren't?What's being attacked if the metaphor of violence is to be used is a part of the self that is essential to self-understanding (not so for all assumptions), extremely socially vulnerable (unlike most religious beliefs) and not a simple delusion (hallucinations etc). — Baden
Correction. My post suggest that transwomen are men that think that they are women. What is the difference between a transwoman and a man who thinks he is a woman to you?Your post suggests that 1) transwomen are men and that 2) it isn't violence to tell the truth. We're probably never going to agree about 1), so let's address 2):
Is telling a fat and ugly person that they're fat and ugly a form of violence? If we accept that the term "violence" covers psychological violence, and not just physical violence, then I think it is a form of violence. It's certainly something people say to bully. — Michael
This probably says something negative about me, but the violence to grammar bothers me more than the sexual identify issue. — T Clark
Yup, this is a pretty fucking idiotic attitude to have. Especially more to be conscious about. — Akanthinos
You seem to think that every time someone uses these words they intend to be insulting — Harry Hindu
If we look at the definition of "violence" I think that, actually, it is correct.“ When a trans woman is called a man, that is an act of violence.” — xoai pham
culture that threatens trans women’s lives is reinforced. — xoai pham
And here is where the rhetoric comes in.When people support the conditions that create violence, they are also committing violence. They’re simply ensuring that someone else will be doing the work of murder. — xoai pham
So are these "conditions" being condemned only for trans women of color? The argument doesn't seem to make the case for all transgender then, only transgender of color. (it could be said that the word "color" here is supporting the "conditions of racism" by acknowledging a false distinction between humans not based in biology/genetics and therefore the author is guilty of lynching...if we use the same sort of rhetoric).Many trans women of color barely make it past their 30s; their average age of death mirrors the life expectancy of a baby born more than 5000 years ago. — xoai pham
Do you think stereotypes or expectations about the way people of different races should act would fall under the category of "roles"? — czahar
I know if I am or am not being a man--I am or am not opening doors for women; I am or am not being a protector and provider; I am or am not sexually active. — WISDOMfromPO-MO
But these things are also stereotypes, so you're sort of shooting yourself in the foot.
The truth is that these "roles" you're talking about are all based on stereotypes, whether they're gender roles or race roles or whatever the case may be. So, you can either say that these roles are legitimate or that they're not, but you can't cherry pick. — JustSomeGuy
how I know if I am or am not playing this "white" role well... — WISDOMfromPO-MO
None of this tells me how I know if I am or am not playing this "white" role well or who would be a good role model for me.
I do not believe that the social role of "white" exists. A white person might be more likely to have a role like master and less likely to have a role like servant, but that doesn't make "white" a role. — WISDOMfromPO-MO
So you want me to tell you what white stereotypes are? — JustSomeGuy
Living up to stereotypes is not acting in a role. — WISDOMfromPO-MO
I know if I am or am not being a man--I am or am not opening doors for women; I am or am not being a protector and provider; I am or am not sexually active. — WISDOMfromPO-MO
I do not believe that the social role of "white" exists. — WISDOMfromPO-MO
And that is a problem with the listener, not the speaker. You can be unintentionally insulting to a schizophrenic as well. Being offended by questioning some baseless premise is the symptom of a delusion.I don't. Something can be unintentionally insulting. — Michael
Exactly. It's not violent to use words. It is violent to allow people with a sickness to keep thinking they aren't sick. You didn't address the rest of my post where I made that point. Instead, you chose to cherry-pick my post, while ignoring other pertinent questions, like "What is the difference between a transwoman and a man who thinks he is a woman to you?"When I said that "it's certainly something people say to bully" I was simply pointing out that "it's true" isn't a defence against the accusation of violence, which seemed to be the defence you were going for. — Michael
Exactly. It's not violent to use words. — Harry Hindu
It is violent to allow people with a sickness to keep thinking they aren't sick. You didn't address the rest of my post where I made that point. Instead, you chose to cherry-pick my post, while ignoring other pertinent questions, like "What is the difference between a transwoman and a man who thinks he is a woman to you?"
And that is a problem with the listener, not the speaker.
You harm a delusional person by telling them their delusion is false. That is a moral dilemma we often face: Should I tell the person the truth and hurt their feelings, or lie to them to save their feelings?If they harm someone, then it is. — Michael
It's not an old argument. You haven't even asked that question of yourself. I know, because you're performing these wacked mental gymnastics in order to avoid answering the question. Answer the question, as it will help us both understand where it is you are coming from because as it stands right now, you are being inconsistent.The rest of your post wasn't relevant to my criticism, which is that "it's true" isn't a satisfactory defense against accusations of violence/abuse/insult. I've already said that we're never going to agree on whether or not transwomen are women, so there's no point rehashing those old arguments. — Michael
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