But those patterns could be generalized to include, what would happen in the hypothetical case it was possible and happened? — BlueBanana
1) Causal determination implies that the causal theory of reference is true. — sime
2) The causal theory of reference implies that signification of future events is the signification of past events in disguise.
3) Therefore if S is true, its meaning is fully determined by past events and refers only to past events. — sime
Unless a determinist asserts retro-causality (which would seem to nullify his position), I don't see how it is possible to both accept what the determinist says and to understand his sentences as being future-referring. — sime
Yes, I see how you arrived at your statements with regards to reference, given a causal reference theory, what I'm saying is that you do not have to adopt a causal reference theory at all. If your references are merely descriptivist, or even mediated, but in some non-causal way, then a sentence can refer to a determined future by reference to the predictions of the users, which are a current state. — Pseudonym
2) The causal theory of reference implies that signification of future events is the signification of past events in disguise.
3) Therefore if S is true, its meaning is fully determined by past events and refers only to past events. — sime
You only have that evience about non-conscious objects. You can't apply those conclusions to include people. — BlueBanana
So when a radioactive atom decays, are you saying that was determined by a cause? Something suddenly made its decay more probable, nay inescapable, in that moment rather than - as inductively confirmed in the study of these things - that the decay probability does not vary with time? The chance was constant, therefore the determinism was - measurably - zero? — apokrisis
But more ridiculous in that your use of this claim is offered in some sort of mystcal claim that because a person is conscious they can exist outside the realms of cause and effect. — charleton
I bet you believe in the myth of positive thinking, where you just have to dream up something in order to have it.
Well DUH.
If you want something you have to DO SOMETHING to cause a thing to happen. — charleton
Still waiting to hear what determined/caused determinism. — WISDOMfromPO-MO
What is any of this based on? If you want to keep your comments brief, so be it, but don't fill them with ad hominems or unrelated and unbased claims. — BlueBanana
It's called induction. And despite its failings, as taken humans from primitive animals to technological experts, masters of the world. — charleton
I have the entire history of civilisation on my side as evidence. — charleton
Ah yes, the ancient Egyptian writings of BlueBanana conjuring things by the power of his will. Am I time traveler or immortal? — BlueBanana
Neither, just a bit confused by the sound of it. — charleton
And immortality is that area — charleton
sarcastic — BlueBanana
Why would a god do that? — BlueBanana
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