Perhaps I've misunderstood you, but I am not seeing a difference, in principle, between contending that words are not the things they reference, and saying that schemes are not the world they represent. — Janus
...there is a valid logical distinction between what Uluru is, and has been, for human experience and thought and what it is in itself? In other words, isn't there more to Uluru than we can tell? — Janus
Uluru isn't what Ib]I[/b] say it is; it is what we say it is. — Banno
You seem to have built your view as a series of deductions from inside your self, or something like that; — Banno
but Wittgenstein is suggesting that one stop and look first, at what happens when language is used. — Banno
The self doing the speaking is as much a social construct as the language that self is using. — Banno
Removing the Self from where Descartes had placed it in the middle of philosophy is one of the net things about Philosophical Investigations. — Banno
From what you have said it would seem that the speaker can decide in one way or the other if the stone is part of Uluru or not. But that's not what I would say. It's not the speaker who makes such decisions, but the community being addressed. And what is being asked is not about the ontology of Uluru so much as the way we use parts of that sacred rock. — Banno
But then I don't have a clear idea of what this "cut" is - apparently between me and it, as if an individual could have a private language. — Banno
I know this is misrepresenting you, Apo, — Banno
How will you reply? What attitude will you adopt? — Banno
Always the psychodrama, Banno. You want to play the game of "pretend to respect me and I'll pretend to respect you." And worried you won't get that, you try to play the authority figure. You set yourself up as the judge of whether someone's behaviour conforms to some proper standard. — apokrisis
I had a physio do some work on my back today. She was asking for descriptions of pain here and there, and how deep, what sort - quite precise. And she appeared to use this information to fathom where to push and prod, because my spine is now much straighter and less painful.
So those pains were not private. — Banno
The difference is that a private language is one that cannot be made public even in principle. — Banno
The difference is that a private language is one that cannot be made public even in principle. — Banno
Well, I would not say it like that, but yes, I agree. — Banno
A private language would be one that cannot be shared with anyone even to begin with. — celebritydiscodave
A private language would be one that cannot be shared with anyone even to begin with. — celebritydiscodave
Yep. The difference is that a private language is one that cannot be made public even in principle. — Banno
Private language speaks to the notion that I have private thoughts in my head that I translate into English and put "out there", that you read and then translate into your private language. Rejecting a private language amounts to rejecting this model, and hence accepting that language is intrinsically a public enterprise. — Banno
private mental furnishing — Metaphysician Undercover
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