I disagree. Life is tough for everyone, even for the billionaires. Money may get you the best doctors and the best services, but apart from that, you still get old, you still get sick, your wife still leaves you for the guy with more muscles than you, your friends still betray you (perhaps moreso than before), people are more likely to steal from you, you still suffer defeat and humiliation, etc.Life is tough for most people except for those with lots of money. — René Descartes
Ironical that Peterson said you should take your opponents at their strongest and not strawman in the video.Useful way to (mis)construe your opponents, maybe I should start doing likewise. — MindForged
I chose the title based on the title of the video, which is the subject of this thread.I'll watch it after you've demonstrated how Marx' theories on social and economic structures and how these should change to benefit all people fit into identity politics and the idea of white privilege. It's prima facie incoherent from what I've read of Marx. — Benkei
With regards to Marx's theories, Peterson takes the underlying fault to be the fact that he pits the proletariat against the bourgeois, making one into the oppressed and the other into the oppressor. This sort of language is precisely what allows all faults and sufferings of the world to be cast at the feet of the oppressors - they are responsible, that's why the world is bad. Whereas Peterson's point is that life is suffering, and we are not responsible for that - it's just the nature of life.
He does man, but you know, you get bored, must do something, no? >:OI'm on my phone and about to fall asleep. First thing to think about is: Life is suffering, Peterson should just suck it up for being oppressed by cultural Marxists. Fucking pussy.
Kind of obvious. Good night. — Benkei
Sure, the point is that it's a lie. There is no state of affairs as Marxism describes it.but the fact that in Marxism the bourgeois are against the proletariat (and thus one the oppressor & the other oppressed) is not mere language, it's intended to make an assertion about the actual state of affairs. — MindForged
Yes, the Marxists claim that the bourgeoisie maintain a certain social and economic structure because they are the ones who have power, and since it benefits them, they use their power in that direction. But as Peterson explains in the video, it's not power, but competency, that allows them to be the privileged social class. There is a hierarchy, hierarchies cannot be eliminated, and that hierarchy is based on competency. The bourgeois are at the top because they have shown themselves to be the most competent at taking care of their society. In a way, excluding at the moment corruption, the way to get rich is by selling a lot of goods to a lot of people - which means adding value to the world, giving people what they want.The claim in Marxism is not that "all faults and sufferings in the world" are the fault of the bourgeois, but rather that a number of social and economic ills are largely caused and maintained by the bourgeois because it maintains their style of life, and is even necessary for them to live as they do. — MindForged
There is a hierarchy, hierarchies cannot be eliminated, and that hierarchy is based on competency. The bourgeois are at the top because they have shown themselves to be the most competent at taking care of their society. — Agustino
Sure, the point is that it's a lie. There is no state of affairs as Marxism describes it.
Yes, the Marxists claim that the bourgeoisie maintain a certain social and economic structure because they are the ones who have power, and since it benefits them, they use their power in that direction. But as Peterson explains in the video, it's not power, but competency, that allows them to be the privileged social class. There is a hierarchy, hierarchies cannot be eliminated, and that hierarchy is based on competency. The bourgeois are at the top because they have shown themselves to be the most competent at taking care of their society. In a way, excluding at the moment corruption, the way to get rich is by selling a lot of goods to a lot of people - which means adding value to the world, giving people what they want.
This sort of language is precisely what allows all faults and sufferings of the world to be cast at the feet of the oppressors - they are responsible, that's why the world is bad. Whereas Peterson's point is that life is suffering, and we are not responsible for that - it's just the nature of life. — Agustino
In 2010, who would have thought that a self-labelled socialist could run for president in the US? — StreetlightX
Regardless, what the right-wing fears isn't Marxism per say, but a sort of Stalinist/Maoist state-lead economic militarization, as Peterson suggests in the video, and the idea that this is feasible threat within America is eye-rollingly laughable. — Maw
I could use more knowledge on just how POMO did come about. — Bitter Crank
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