• bahman
    526
    Here are the questions:

    1) What is mind?
    2) What is conscious mind?
    3) What is subconscious mind?
    4) What is brain for?
    5) What do we experience?
    6) How do we act?

    Here are my answer:

    1) Essence of any being with ability to experience, decide and create.
    2) Mind.
    3) Brain.
    4) Brain processes information and provides input for experience.
    5) Mind experiences physical state which is the result of brain process.
    6) Mind creates brain state which this is processed by brain and leads to act.

    Your thoughts? You are welcome to add question.
  • Rich
    3.2k
    1) It is what is peering out through the eyes, learning, experimenting, creating and evolving.

    2) It is what we experience when we are awake.

    3) Unconscious mind it's the experience of sleeping between dreams and awake. There remains an unused to awake. Subconscious is somewhere in between.

    4) The communication network center that transmits and receives between other minds and other things (sharing).

    5) Forms and qualia as vibrations.

    6) We act based upon a virtual goal.

    I am not a dualist. Mind and matter are the same operating in different directions. Matter is decaying mind as opposed to organizing mind.
  • bahman
    526
    1) It is what is peering out through the eyes, learning, experimenting, creating and evolving.Rich

    I agree.

    2) It is what we experience when we are awake.Rich

    We experience two things. Inside and outside.

    3) Unconscious mind it's the experience of sleeping between dreams and awake.Rich

    I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

    There remains an unused to awake.Rich

    I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

    Subconscious is somewhere in between.Rich

    Yes, if you believe in unconscious mind.

    4) The communication network center that transmits and receives between other minds and other things (sharing).Rich

    It is creative too. Sometimes solution to a problem pops up from subconscious mind into conscious mind.

    5) Forms and qualia as vibrations.Rich

    That what I called matter state. The matter has a property to create it.

    6) We act based upon a virtual goal.Rich

    Yes. You can affect reality. We create virtual goal and follow it. We create a causal chain when we decide.

    I am not a dualist. Mind and matter are the same operating in different directions.Rich

    I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

    Matter is decaying mind as opposed to organizing mind.Rich

    So we have two minds?
  • Rich
    3.2k
    We experience two things. Inside and outside.bahman

    Yes we feel the demarcation though microscopically it dissipates. Whole meditating, this delineation may disappear.

    3) Unconscious mind it's the experience of sleeping between dreams and awake.
    — Rich

    I don't understand what you are trying to say here.
    bahman

    It is essentially nothingness, but there is still an impulse that causes awakening from the sleep.

    It is creative too. Sometimes solution to a problem pops up from subconscious mind into conscious mind.bahman

    Since the brain is alive, one can certainly say that it is creative in its own way, e.g. when it is healing itself.
    Matter is decaying mind as opposed to organizing mind.
    — Rich

    So we have two minds?
    bahman

    One way to imagine it is with an analogy to the ocean. The ocean had waves. The waves have the ocean. They are different and the same. There are waves, within waves within waves right down to the quantum level, and maybe even deeper.
  • bahman
    526
    Yes we feel the demarcation though microscopically it dissipates. Whole mediating, this delineation may disappear.Rich

    Mater should have an essence otherwise we have to accept the fact that it is illusion, therefore it needs a sustainer, so called God.

    It is essentially nothingness, but there is still an impulse that causes awakening from the sleep.Rich

    So you believe that matter is an illusion therefore there is a sustainer?
  • Rich
    3.2k
    Mater should have an essence otherwise we have to accept the fact that it is illusion, therefore it needs a sustainer, so called God.bahman

    Matter is energy which is non-substantive but we still feel something. It is like steam that condenses to b water that condenses to ice. Insubstantiality moving toward substantially.

    So you believe that matter is an illusion therefore there is a sustainer?bahman

    Not at all. It is real and is exactly as we feel it.

    To best explore life one should develop all senses but most especially that of feeling.
  • bahman
    526
    Matter is energy which is non-substantive but we still feel something. It is like steam that condenses to b water that condenses to ice. Insubstantiality moving toward substantially.

    So you believe that matter is an illusion therefore there is a sustainer?
    — bahman

    Not at all. It is real and is exactly as we feel it.
    Rich

    So matter has an essence?
  • Rich
    3.2k
    So matter has an essence?bahman

    As an wave in an ocean. Differences and similarities.
  • bahman
    526
    As an wave in an ocean. Differences and similarities.Rich

    Ocean is the matter and wave is forms. Matter has an essence. Things that we experience cannot comes from nothing, I mean the end of matter when you cannot focus more.
  • Rich
    3.2k
    Things that we experience cannot comes from nothing, I mean the end of matter when you cannot focus more.bahman

    What do you think is the essence of quantum waves?
  • bahman
    526
    What do you think is the essence of quantum waves?Rich

    It is essence of matter. It is something. Otherwise we are dealing with an illusion and what we experience is generate by the essence who is the sustainer. There is no other way around.
  • Rich
    3.2k
    It is essence of matterbahman

    Yes, it is mind vibrating.
  • Marchesk
    4.6k
    Yes, it mind vibrating.Rich

    So the universe is made of vibrating mind instead of those tiny higher dimensional strings of energy?
  • bahman
    526
    Yes, it mind vibrating.Rich

    Good. What about inside? We can affect the reality. Is there an essence inside too?
  • Rich
    3.2k
    So the universe is made of vibrating mind instead of those tiny higher dimensional strings of energy?Marchesk

    One and the same.
  • Rich
    3.2k
    Good. What about inside? We can affect the reality. Is there an essence inside too?bahman

    What is inside mind? Take a look and tell me what you find. I think you might find it is endless in possibilities.
  • bahman
    526
    What is inside mind?Rich

    Everything is outside to mind.

    Take a look and tell Mr what you find.Rich

    I am talking about inside. You realm which your thoughts and feeling happen within. We can change reality. Therefore there is an essence inside too. Something which can affects reality. Nothing cannot affect reality.
  • bahman
    526
    One and the same.Rich

    So we are illusions created by the mind tricking ourselves.
  • Rich
    3.2k
    So we are illusions created by the mind tricking ourselves.bahman

    No, it is exactly as we experience it. No illusions.
  • Rich
    3.2k
    I am talking about inside. You realm which your thoughts and feeling happen within. We can change realitybahman

    You mean like dreams, ideas, possible actions?
    Therefore there is an essence inside too. Something which can affects reality. Nothing cannot affect reality.bahman

    It's not nothing. It's Mind.

    Try an experiment. Think about picking up something and then pick it up. That is what the Mind can do - waves of mind
  • bahman
    526
    No, it is exactly as we experience it. No illusions.Rich

    So we are different and there are minds as many as people?
  • bahman
    526
    You mean like dreams, ideas, possible actions?Rich

    Yes.

    It's not nothing. It's Mind.

    Try an experiment. Think about picking up something and then pick it up. That is what the Mind can do - waves of mind
    Rich

    So you believe that you have a mind? Why you are not dualist then?
  • Rich
    3.2k
    So you believe that you have a mind? What you are not dualist then?bahman

    We are mind.
  • bahman
    526
    We are mind.Rich

    Isn't that right to say that we are minds? Why you use singulaur mind?
  • Rich
    3.2k
    Is the ocean many waves or are many waves the ocean? It is all the same.
  • SteveKlinko
    395
    bahman
    1) What is mind? The Inter Mind Model distinguishes between the Physical Mind and the Conscious Mind and proposes that there must be another processing stage that connects them together. This connecting and processing stage is called the Inter Mind.

    2) What is conscious mind? The Conscious Mind is the final processing stage where Conscious phenomenon like the experience of the color Red happens.

    3) What is subconscious mind? It is background processing in the Physical Mind, I'll let the Psychologists explain that one.

    4) What is brain for? The Brain, or the Physical Mind, is the front end processing for sensory perception.

    5) What do we experience? We experience our own inner Conscious phenomenon usually called the Qualia. I like to call the Light Qualia, Conscious Light, because it is more descriptive. The important distinction here is that we have never experienced Physical Light but only our internal Conscious Light. We think the Conscious Light is the Physical Light only because it is all we have ever known about Physical Light.

    6) How do we act? The Conscious Mind has to have a Volitional input capability back through the Inter Mind to the Physical Mind in order for action to happen.
  • bahman
    526
    1) What is mind? The Inter Mind Model distinguishes between the Physical Mind and the Conscious Mind and proposes that there must be another processing stage that connects them together. This connecting and processing stage is called the Inter Mind.SteveKlinko

    Interesting, Inter Mind Model.

    2) What is conscious mind? The Conscious Mind is the final processing stage where Conscious phenomenon like the experience of the color Red happens.SteveKlinko

    It does more than experience in my opinion. It decides and acts too.

    3) What is subconscious mind? It is background processing in the Physical Mind, I'll let the Psychologists explain that one.SteveKlinko

    Ok.

    4) What is brain for? The Brain, or the Physical Mind, is the front end processing for sensory perception.SteveKlinko

    Ok.

    5) What do we experience? We experience our own inner Conscious phenomenon usually called the Qualia. I like to call the Light Qualia, Conscious Light, because it is more descriptive. The important distinction here is that we have never experienced Physical Light but only our internal Conscious Light. We think the Conscious Light is the Physical Light only because it is all we have ever known about Physical Light.SteveKlinko

    Is Qualia generated by brain?

    6) How do we act? The Conscious Mind has to have a Volitional input capability back through the Inter Mind to the Physical Mind in order for action to happen.SteveKlinko

    Good.
  • SteveKlinko
    395
    Is Qualia generated by brain?
    The Inter Mind is the connection between the Physical Mind (Brain) and the Conscious Mind. The Inter Mind is a translator. I think the Physical Mind can only do Neural Activity things. The Inter Mind is in contact with the Physical Mind and translates the Neural Activity into something that the Conscious Mind can use, like Qualia. The Conscious Mind is a further processing stage that uses the Qualia as input data. Qualia is just another type of Data.
  • bahman
    526
    Is Qualia generated by brain?SteveKlinko

    I believe so. It is simply subconscious mind providing stuff for conscious mind.

    The Inter Mind is the connection between the Physical Mind (Brain) and the Conscious Mind. The Inter Mind is a translator. I think the Physical Mind can only do Neural Activity things. The Inter Mind is in contact with the Physical Mind and translates the Neural Activity into something that the Conscious Mind can use, like Qualia. The Conscious Mind is a further processing stage that uses the Qualia as input data. Qualia is just another type of Data.SteveKlinko

    Is Inter Mind conscious? If yes then we should be aware of it. Otherwise I call it subconscious mind. We might have several subconscious mind.
  • SteveKlinko
    395
    Is Inter Mind Conscious?
    I think only the Conscious Mind is Conscious. The Physical Mind and the Inter Mind are front end and intermediate processing stages. The only thing we know is what we experience in our Conscious Minds.
  • bahman
    526
    Is Inter Mind Conscious?
    I think only the Conscious Mind is Conscious. The Physical Mind and the Inter Mind are front end and intermediate processing stages. The only thing we know is what we experience in our Conscious Minds.
    SteveKlinko

    So you could consider them as subconscious mind. Unless you have a reason to distinguish them from each other.
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