OK, so which prominent "Liberal intellectuals" have claimed that "People are equal in their capacities, capabilities or inclinations." I've not heard any myself. — Pseudonym
I see, what constitutes an attempt, in your view? — Pseudonym
Start with, oh I don't know, the hullabaloo against the Bell Curve and Charles Murray, and work your way down to the contemporary kerfuffles on American campuses re. conservative speakers, Alt Right speakers, etc.. You're not living that sheltered a life are you? — gurugeorge
That book is demonstrably racist. See:
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/the-real-problem-with-charles-murray-and-the-bell-curve/ — Posty McPostface
But all that goes out the window if it's simply a fact that (to take the racial angle) Jews are on average smarter than Asians, who are on average smarter than Whites, who are on average smarter than Browns, who are on average smarter than Blacks, and if these groups on average have strongly-genetically-influenced inclinations to different kinds of social interaction, different reproductive strategies, different political preferences, different preferences for how they spend their time, different capacities for deferred gratification, different proclivities in relation to violence, etc., etc. — gurugeorge
But all that goes out the window if it's simply a fact that (to take the racial angle) Jews are on average smarter than Asians, who are on average smarter than Whites, who are on average smarter than Browns, who are on average smarter than Blacks, and if these groups on average have strongly-genetically-influenced inclinations to different kinds of social interaction, different reproductive strategies, different political preferences, different preferences for how they spend their time, different capacities for deferred gratification, different proclivities in relation to violence, etc., etc. — gurugeorge
Right, so where's the incontrovertible evidence you talked about? — Pseudonym
All you've done is listed books and thinkers who've commented on these abhorrently racists and sexist ideas, give me examples of where someone has attempted to "silence" them. — Pseudonym
Why are you sneaking "incontrovertible" in here? I didn't use the concept. — gurugeorge
BUT, and this is a big caveat in the reading of any of this research, how can you say a difference in IQ isn't entirely an environment creation. — yatagarasu
How are any of those differences relevant in a interconnected and constantly mixing world? — yatagarasu
it is you who are attempting to shut down debate. — Pseudonym
And some minor college sub-rules and a handful of scuffles do not constitute an attempt to "silence" the thinkers you mention. — Pseudonym
Well-poisoning, ad hominem twaddle. — gurugeorge
They're pretty major and intimidating to the people who were subjected to them. — gurugeorge
1. Racist people make racist comments and write racist books.
2. Charles Murray wrote a racist book.
3. Therefore, Charles Murray is a racist.
That's an entirely valid argument. — Benkei
The consensus seems to be that variance has varying degrees of genetic vs. environmental causes - for example with political preferences, the variance is around 40-50% heritable, with intelligence something like 60-70% heritable. The usual source for these kinds of claims are twin studies and other types of behavioural genetics studies. Obviously environmental factors like nutrition and parental encouragement are extremely important, that's factored in to these kinds of studies. — gurugeorge
Races come from longish periods of relative isolation (usually by geography) - they were mostly formed in a span anywhere from tens of thousands of years to a few hundred thousands of years. — gurugeorge
There is also no evidence that IQ testing reveals any innate intelligence, because no one has yet to devise any question for an IQ test that does not depend on prior learning. — LD Saunders
How would a brain that is anatomically no different and still classified as modern human be any less or more intelligent genetically? — yatagarasu
similar brain structures. — yatagarasu
this globalized world. — yatagarasu
What on earth are you talking about? — gurugeorge
The world isn't "globalized" in any meaningful sense genetically - there's a bit of miscegenation at the fringes due to globalization obviously, but there always was mixing at the edges to some extent (cross-border. cross-race trade and mixing isn't something new), and indeed that's what keeps the larger racial/ethnic gene pools healthy. — gurugeorge
There are no genes identified at this point that contribute to intelligence. — yatagarasu
Any minuscule differences do not matter as only populations evolve. — yatagarasu
There are no genes identified at this point that contribute to intelligence. [...] I'm linking peer reviewed studies to back up my claims. — yatagarasu
I don't think these are good examples of anti-intellectualism. The existence of nutters is regrettable, but those they follow and follow them are more anti-science.Yet, I see nuts like David Icke, who is British; Ken Ham is a nut in America, but he came from Australia, Jim Carey is a nutty anti-vaxxer, but he was raised and educated in Canada. — LD Saunders
Miniscule differences are what get weeded out by evolution. A fraction of a second's poor physics calculation avoiding a predator can mean the difference between life and death. A tiny error in abstract thinking can make the difference between winning a Nobel prize and cleaning the halls like a schlub. Repeat that across a relatively isolated populations coping with particular types of environment in given geographical regions, and you get average spreads of traits across races, which then get amplified in the cultures those races create. — gurugeorge
Edit : reading more, scientists that discovered this last May say the effect of those 52 is minuscule and intelligence is ultimately genetically influenced by thousands of genes. — Benkei
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