You would have thought that he would have done so by now, if he really could. :wink:Ok, explain your thoughts. — BlueBanana
but she still had to make the choice and a very serious commitment to make this realization possible... — Cavacava
Those are defined by her self-identity, by who she feels she is. — BlueBanana
Yes I agree that she realized that was who she is — Cavacava
Can't people be wrong in identifying themselves? — Harry Hindu
I gave the example of the Italian-American believing that he was a Native American. Does their belief make them what they are, or does your physical relationship (his genetic relationship with his family) with others make you what you are? — Harry Hindu
How is this any different from someone that believes that they are a woman in a man's body? — Harry Hindu
What does it even mean to feel like a woman in a man's body? Are they saying that their soul is female and they are in a male body? Are we talking about souls being placed in the wrong body, a mental illness, or what? — Harry Hindu
If gender can be chosen through a conscious decision, why do transgender people choose to be the gender they are, even though that leads to them being discriminated (among other cons)? — BlueBanana
Strange that it isn't consisered anorexia phobic when we tell an anorexic that they aren't fat.You sound dangerously like this discussion is going to a rather transphobic direction, but anyway: — BlueBanana
He never made that distinction.I don't think his claim was that he was ethnically a native american, but just culturally. — BlueBanana
I was talking about anorexia. It is a neurological condition where they believe that they are fat and that drives their behavior of forcing themselves to vomit and engaging in excessive exercise. This is no different than someone believing that they are a woman in a man's body and that drives their behavior dressing like one and performing sex changes.Whether one is obese is determined by physical facts, gender is not. — BlueBanana
It's about how you were raised most likely, as that can have serious consequences on your inner/subconscious or conscious desires to identify with a particular group.It's about the sociocultural gender roles, or one's inner/subconscious or conscious desires to identify with a certain set of them even if one doesn't make the conscious decision to express those desires. — BlueBanana
Strange that it isn't consisered anorexia phobic when we tell an anorexic that they aren't fat. — Harry Hindu
How does a man even know what it is like to feel like a woman to say that they are actually a woman in a man's body, and vice versa? — Harry Hindu
It's about how you were raised most likely, as that can have serious consequences on your inner/subconscious or conscious desires to identify with a particular group. — Harry Hindu
This question is still separate from your original, which doubted that one chooses their gender. Choosing their gender and why they choose their gender are two different things. — Buxtebuddha
I was talking about anorexia. — Harry Hindu
He never made that distinction. — Harry Hindu
In the natural world one's behavior is determined by one's sex. — Harry Hindu
How does a man even know what it is like to feel like a woman to say that they are actually a woman in a man's body, and vice versa? — Harry Hindu
You don't know what you are talking about:So was I. One can't be an obese anorexic. Anorexia is partly defined by whether one is obese. — BlueBanana
Whether or not humans cannot be claimed to be entirely natural anymore is a point of contention for another thread. Every species has a specialty that enables it to survive in unique ways.And humans cannot be claimed to be entirely natural anymore. We have sociocultural structures. We have the mental capacity to think objectively about ourselves and understand abstract ideas and describe them linguistically. — BlueBanana
I was talking about anorexia. It is a neurological condition where they believe that they are fat and that drives their behavior of forcing themselves to vomit and engaging in excessive exercise. This is no different than someone believing that they are a woman in a man's body and that drives their behavior dressing like one and performing sex changes. — Harry Hindu
Those who suffer from body dysmorphia have a disconnection between the reality they are perceiving and how that perception is recognised in their brains. They look in an ordinary mirror, but for them, the result is something like we might imagine a funhouse mirror to look. There is an inability to recognise the body for what it is. Features seem distorted, and flaws (real or imagined) are perceived as much much worse than they are (if they even exist, and if they're even flaws in the first place).
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[Sex dysphoria] can't be a form of body dysmorphia, because the issue is not a processing error between the reality of physicality and how that physicality is understood internally by the mind. There is no failure to see the body as it is. The issue is something else.
Disturbance in the way in which one's body weight or shape is experienced, undue influence of body weight or shape on self-evaluation, or denial of the seriousness of the current low body weight. — Harry Hindu
Whether or not humans cannot be claimed to be entirely natural anymore is a point of contention for another thread. — Harry Hindu
why not? what else are we? Super-natural? — Mr Phil O'Sophy
if they aren't independent events that implies they are causally related then? — Mr Phil O'Sophy
Opinions can be changed, but a person can't just decide to change their own opinion. — BlueBanana
Perhaps you're not familiar with the use of the word "some" in elementary logic. That's the sense of the word I intended, and the sense I often intend when I use that word.A bit disingenuous to say 'some'. lol — Mr Phil O'Sophy
Do you have a citation to support that rather precise statistical claim?Its pretty much 99% of the worlds population that have coinciding gender and sex. that would suggest a pretty good correlation between the two. — Mr Phil O'Sophy
No it's not if you bring it up to back up your point. You can't make a claim and then claim I'm off-topic and should make a new thread when I refute it. — BlueBanana
Then it comes down to my question of how they know that their body is something other than it should be. How do they know what the opposite of sex feels like to say that their body should be like that?So body dysmorphia is when you think your body is other than it really is whereas sex dysmorphia is when you think your body should be other than it really is. — Michael
I did - in the sentence after the one you quoted. — Harry Hindu
I have changed my opinion about transgenderism. I used to think it was real. In the last couple of years I started to doubt that it was real and began thinking it was probably delusional. I didn't decide that I wanted to change my opinion. What I decided was not to trust the testimony of transgendered people about their experiences. — Bitter Crank
It is definitely "real" in the sense that there are people that think they are not expressing their personalities through the gender they are currently. There is also enough evidence to suggest they are "born with it". — yatagarasu
Huh? I'm willing to have whatever conversation you want - anywhere - at least until the mods start deleting posts for being off-topic (like they have deleted mine for being off-topic). You just need to make more sense.I did - in the sentence after the one you quoted. — Harry Hindu
Read that part of this discussion again. — BlueBanana
My point was that you are engaging in anthropomorphism by claiming that humans are somehow special or separate from nature because of their physiology (big brain) and behavior (which their big brain drives). Humans are just as natural as everything else in the universe. If the universe itself is natural, then how is it that one of its constituents isn't?Every species has a specialty that enables it to survive in unique ways. — Harry Hindu
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