So how can we be sure that some of our nice modern Leftists aren't nascent savage psychopaths? — gurugeorge
IOW, the comparison is not at all absurd, because the expressed ideology is virtually identical. — gurugeorge
He specifically says that the ideology that drove Mao from his beginnings to his psychopathic — Mr Phil O'Sophy
How could Peterson possibly know what drove Mao to his destructive end?He specifically says that the ideology that drove Mao from his beginnings to his psychopathic end — Mr Phil O'Sophy
If, as some of his supporters on here have suggested, he has claimed that Marxism leads to mass murder, then that is a sufficient reason for condemnation. It's effectively proposing a relaunch of the witch-hunts of the McCarthy era, and CIA activities like the assassination of Allende, supporting Suharto's murderous regime and fostering Fascist coups in goodness knows how many developing countries, all in the name of protecting us from Marxism.Failing to see the cause of either adulation or condemnation with Peterson. — Wayfarer
Doesn’t warrant hysteria but the fact remains. — Wayfarer
Do you think the measure of the validity of that issue can be ascertained scientifically? — Wayfarer
Except it's not at all. — Baden
Western Maoists, Leninists etc... hate identity politics, intersectionality, discourse analysis etc etc. — fdrake
There were indubitably acts of mass murder conducted by Sovet Russia and Communist China, among others. Doesn’t warrant hysteria but the fact remains. — Wayfarer
it wasn't communism, as far as I know, that led the US to pretty much wipe out native people. They were in our way, — Bitter Crank
Communist states feature highly in both massacres and deaths from avoidable famine. Fascist states have committed the largest single atrocities. Colonialism features most highly if you take the upper estimates (estimates are wide because no-one really knew the starting population). — Pseudonym
Apparently early Americans didn't massacre the native population at all, they just all died mysteriously but completely unsuspiciously shortly after voluntarily handing over their land. — Pseudonym
It is a historical observation. Just as the facts of the many acts of mass murder conducted by Christian regimes and by Western capitalist colonial powers 'remain'. Facts are not arguments. Further, unless connected to an argument or proposal they are meaningless.Doesn’t warrant hysteria but the fact remains. — Wayfarer
That's not even a sentence. If you have a proposal or argument to make, then make it. If your proposal is that people should study the horrors of Mao's China and Stalin's USSR, you're a bit late. People have been writing dissertations on them for decades. As they have also been for the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition and the many genocides of aboriginal people, mass atrocities conducted under the motivation of Christianity and Capitalism.But a careful consideration of the political track record of Marxist regimes. — Mr Phil O'Sophy
So you see class politics as an example of identity politics? — fdrake
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