In that case, I am afraid that you'll have to tell them that they are right... :rofl: — Agustino
So I ask you, do you believe speciation occurs? If yes, why? If no, why not? — ProbablyTrue
Religionists of that level don't have anything useful to say about science nor are they worth trying to convince because their group identity is more important to them than being right. .... The best thing to do is to just leave them to their ignorance. — Baden
(And if the claim that chromosome reconfiguration is not "true speciation" somehow, remind them that they are cheating, since the layman's idea of "a species" has nothing to do with genotypes; it is about morphology). — Mariner
So I ask you, do you believe speciation occurs? If yes, why? If no, why not? — ProbablyTrue
They have zero to bring to the table and indulging them serves no purpose. — Baden
you should know that what really warps an understanding of science, and can potentially destroy it, especially among the young, is giving these people a platform that leads to political influence, particularly over educational policy. — Baden
They won't be given a similar platform here in the science category to spread pseudoscientific nonsense. Again, that has nothing to do with scientism or scientific reductionism. Philosophy and science itself are perfectly valid means to criticize the prevailing scientific orthodoxy. — Baden
I think that shows your rigidity and lack of understanding rather than any fault in religious people. — T Clark
You can't separate science from the rest of society. — T Clark
So, let's exclude a large portion of the electorate because we don't agree with their understanding of the world. — T Clark
There is no discussion here about what should be allowed on the forum. ProbablyTrue has expressed an interest in interacting with these troglodytes you have such disdain for. Maybe evolution denial is not welcome here, but how to talk to evolution deniers and how to understand what we think is true about evolution should be. — T Clark
In the often-told evolutionary tale, the color shift in moths began as factories in Britain started to darken the skies with coal smoke during the Industrial Revolution in the 1800s. Victorian naturalists took note as a newly discovered, all-black carbonaria form of peppered moths (Biston betularia) blended into soot-covered backgrounds; the light-colored typica moths, which lacked the mutation, were easily picked off by birds. By 1970, nearly 99 percent of peppered moths were black in some localities. As air pollution decreased in the late 20th century, black moths became more visible to birds. As a result, carbonaria moths are now rare. — Science News
Speciation in progress: — Bitter Crank
Is that really speciation? Can the different varieties interbreed? — T Clark
It wouldn’t be yet. But given an environmental obstruction between the two variants, eventually further biological evolution would bring about two species that won’t interbreed, either for genetic or behavioral reasons. Two examples: Galapagos finches and new world finches (yes, there are more species than the just mentioned); chimps and bonobos. — javra
Also - It is believed that homo sapiens interbred with both Neanderthals and Denisovans and that some of us share genetic material from them. — T Clark
Homo sapiens could have genetically interbred with Neanderthals; whether or not the two species (/variants?) interbred despite behavioral differences is in a good deal of dispute from what I know. — javra
one professor during my university days said that given our genetic similarity it is nearly indisputable that one can have a human-chimp offspring, — javra
No, it's been tried and it didn't work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanzee — Baden
In 1981, Ji Yongxiang, head of a hospital in Shengyang, was reported as claiming to have been part of a 1967 experiment in Shengyang in which a chimpanzee female had been impregnated with human sperm. According to this account, the experiment came to nothing because it was cut short by the Cultural Revolution, with the responsible scientists sent off to farm labour and the pregnant chimpanzee dying from neglect. — wikipedia page
Unfortunately, scientists have — Baden
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