Banno has brought up this problem:
You and I may believe the same thing, but my cognitive act of belief is not your cognitive act of belief.
Some people say that the thing we both believe is a proposition. For various reasons that scenario is suboptimal. What's the alternative? — frank
Some people say that the thing we both believe is a proposition. For various reasons that scenario is suboptimal. What's the alternative? — frank
The meaning, rather than the proposition. What we both believe can be expressed or represented with a proposition, but is not the proposition itself. — Sapientia
But then propositions don't get to have meanings; they are meanings. — Srap Tasmaner
two different elements of a "proposition". — Srap Tasmaner
With cats and dogs we have a clear shared referent. So, in your account, where a belief is in your mind, what is this shared referent? — Banno
And so the public verifiability advantage only applies where the public's recollection is superior to the guy with the best recollection? How prevalent were these recording devices in Witt's time?.and written material and video and so on. It's external, analysable. Unlike your private mentation. — Banno
How prevalent were these recording devices in Witt's time? — Hanover
Are you suggesting that there were no books in his time? Of course not. The point is the quite simple one that if something is shared we can check it, if it isn't, we can't. Despite your protestation, your reply look quite disingenuous. — Banno
you're committed to the idea that a Vietnam vet's experience of watching a film reminding him of the horrors of the war is the same as a 12 year old child's? — Hanover
Of course not. — Banno
There is absolutely no way to establish truth when one only will acknowledge the concepts of ones own mind. Unless we can converse with others and reach a conclusion then we are idiots. Who cares the method of recording. — Sid
Where does the distinction between what can be shared and what cannot be shared come from? Is there any way to tell if a thing can be shared other than sharing it? — fdrake
The object of belief can't be a physical object anyway. I believe that brick. That makes no sense. I believe that the brick is red. That makes sense. — frank
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