You're quite laughable.SSU: You think the UN has an "objective" view regarding Israel? That's laughable. — LD Saunders
Let me ask this: If Israel stopped the settlements of the disputed lands entirely and offered the Palestinians full autonomy within the lands generally recognized to be theirs, that is they offered a two state solution, would the sentiment on this Board be entirely in favor of Israel? That is, is it really the settlement of those lands that has caused the negative reaction to Israel? — Hanover
There is a reason why Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan all supported Israel during its last war in Gaza. It's because even those countries are getting tired of the Palestinians' crap. It's only the anti-Semitic left in the USA and Europe that supported the Palestinians digging terrorist tunnels into Israel, murdering Jewish teenagers, and violating every cease-fire agreement. Even the Saudis know better than to support such crap. — LD Saunders
However, I wonder to what extent it can reasonably be maintained that Palestine as a geographic area can be said to be the location in which a Jewish State should exist, — Ciceronianus the White
There was something of that notion in early Jewish settlements in Palestine, They were taking on unproductive land, so bringing it into production would benefit everyone. — Londoner
The region was governed by the Egyptians and Hittites before there was any such thing as a Hebrew. Per Netanyahu's own expressed logic, the area should be split between Egypt and Turkey and the Jews should evacuate entirely. — frank
Charleton: No, it's not true, — LD Saunders
Well, it wasn't that romantic. Palestine was not empty and even those who at first managed to miss this fact, soon enough found out: — Πετροκότσυφας
This is laughable.
It's the same false argument used by white genocidal maniacs all over the world from South Africa to all the Americas. — charleton
No, it is the argument made by anyone who knows anything about farming. Land, particularly semi-desert is not valuable, at best in can be used for seasonal grazing. You have to invest in it before it becomes productive. — Londoner
Indeed, and the Australians should give Australia back the the indigenous peoples; the nations of the Americas should return the lands to the "Indians", but more in a timeline - since there has not been a Jewish state before 1948 since the time of Hadrian, the English should give back Britain to the Welsh and Cornish folk and return to Germany and Scandinavia. — charleton
I don't understand how a species that flew to the moon could be so dysfunctional. — Andrew4Handel
So, you'd be able to define what under-developed/underpopulated means, to provide the corresponding sources which show that it was underdeveloped/underpopulated and also give an argument why it matters. Since it was Ottoman land, you couldn't just move there. — Πετροκότσυφας
"Do you imagine that in the past people did what they did because they woke up one morning and thought 'Let's be evil'?". It seems like you imagine this exact thing in the case of Germans; one day they offer Jews a comfortable life, the next they slaughter them without anyone seeing it coming. — Πετροκότσυφας
I view that the existence of nation states or countries simply cannot reasoned from a moral perspective. They surely can be reasoned, but morality isn't a defining factor. This is because basically every nation that has gained independence has gotten that after some kind of war or conflict. Hence anybody declaring one state to be more "legitimate" than other is absurdly confused. In fact, I tend to think that those people talking about the legitimate rights are usually the ones who start wars.How could anyone be neutral? Unbiased? Not racist? To take a position places one in somebody's negative category box. ↪frank? ↪Ciceronianus the White? ↪ssu? ↪LD Saunders? ↪Hanover? ↪Πετροκότσυφας? ↪Andrew4Handel? ↪SophistiCat? ↪René Descartes? ↪Benkei? ↪aporiap? ↪charleton? ↪unenlightened? ↪Londoner? ↪CuddlyHedgehog? — Bitter Crank
That's not an answer though. So was the rest of the planet. So is the rest of the planet. I don't see populations emigrating to Mongolia, Australia or Sahara. — Πετροκότσυφας
Nah, that "there" is false. The Ottoman decree allowed Jews from Europe to settle anywhere in the empire, except... Palestine. And later prohibited even Ottoman Jews from buying land in Palestine. — Πετροκότσυφας
Except that these quotes didn't have the benefit of hindsight, they were well known views based on the analysis of the situation. It seems like some people still avert their eyes. — Πετροκότσυφας
Or maybe it is you who expect a clear narrative and just ignore everything else. It seems quite obvious that were you living back then, you wouldn't have paid any attention to those who were actually right in their assessment. — Πετροκότσυφας
I haven't seen any stateless ethnic or religious group, with anything similar to the zionist agenda, emigrating to any of these places. — Πετροκότσυφας
Nah, I'm actually poor. Yet, for some reason, I know that the current resurgence of reactionary ideologies will end up in something bad if folk won't stop normilising them. Really, I'm no magician! — Πετροκότσυφας
How does making a judgement on an issue make someone bias? Assuming common agreement on a set of shared human rights, there is a correct assessment of the situation which holds regardless of sentiment. Condemnations are not disproportionately dolled out. Europeans committed atrocities to local populations throughout the colonial period and [to my knowledge] no western state denies this was a dark period. Since this thread is about Israel, that is what we are focusing on.How could anyone be neutral? Unbiased? Not racist? To take a position places one in somebody's negative category box. ↪frank? ↪Ciceronianus the White? ↪ssu? ↪LD Saunders? ↪Hanover? ↪Πετροκότσυφας? ↪Andrew4Handel? ↪SophistiCat? ↪René Descartes? ↪Benkei? ↪aporiap? ↪charleton? ↪unenlightened? ↪Londoner? ↪CuddlyHedgehog?
It is basic for the left to be anti-Semitic — LD Saunders
This may or may not be true -- I don't know everything about the Left. But to whatever extent it is true, why do you think is it so? I would think all these neo-Marxists would at least be aware that Marx himself was a Jew. Doesn't that count for something with them? — Bitter Crank
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