Ethical sterility is not a 'perfectly moral world'. — StreetlightX
Look at the non-human world. Animals live in harmony with their environment. Every animal behavior is one of necessity. — TheMadFool
It has always intrigued me why philosophy is unable to make any headway on ethics. Yes, there are moral theories out there, each appealing in its own way, but none without inconsistencies. — TheMadFool
Look at the non-human world. Animals live in harmony with their environment. Every animal behavior is one of necessity. All the actions we believe to be immoral (stealing and killing) are committed only out of need - hunger and survival. — TheMadFool
But that isn't true. — Andrew4Handel
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. — T Clark
Much primate behavior appears to be performed for the same types of motivations human behaviors are - social conflict, anger, greed, fear, desire. — T Clark
The hippo which killed the impala isn't motivated by hate, jealousy, greed or any of the ''bad'' intentions humans are capable of. — TheMadFool
Maybe these emotions are linked to advanced cognition? — Andrew4Handel
I wouldn't describe that video as nature in harmony though. I think the reason we don't live in "harmony" with nature is because we live longer when we don't. Although to what extent we are part of nature is an issue. — Andrew4Handel
How would you treat a masochist?
Hurt him?
How would you like to be treated by a sadist?
Get tortured? — TheMadFool
Do you deny the wisdom in believing that animals don't attack unless threatened or are hungry or are in heat, etc? The reason for an animal attack is always of necessity, never anything we could describe as ''evil''. — TheMadFool
A hypothetical perfectly moral world X would be one in which bad behavior (can't actually call it that) would be only those committed out of necessity. Such a world already exists - the animal world ( Y ). — TheMadFool
There is no ethics involved in any such behaviour, — StreetlightX
This is a ridiculous response. I would treat sadists and masochists the way I would like to be treated by them - with kindness and respect. That's what I wrote - "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." — T Clark
In a perfect world all needs would be satisfied, thereby the motivation for both negative and positive behavior would be extinct. — TheMadFool
Everyone would live a life of fulfillment and happiness and all behavior would be only those imposed by necessity - just like in the animal world. — TheMadFool
Agree entirely - in fact I'd go further and say that I could not even imagine a human life at all, horrible or otherwise - as being one driven by necessity. Having said that, the fact that I cannot imagine X does not mean that X is false, of course.Couldn't imagine a more horrible kind of life, one driven solely by necessity.
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