But, and this is where John goes wrong, from this alleged de re necessity (if it is one) would not follow the different de re necessity, regarding France, that it must have Paris as its capital. — Pierre-Normand
I have also claimed that I don't need to go out into the world to do any empirical checking to know these things, — John
What I have claimed is that I know that Paris must be the capital of France right now, and that it was the capital in the past, unless it is the case that there has been a massive deception about the historical capitalhood, and/or in regard to its present capitalhood another city has been designated as capital since I last heard. I have also claimed that I don't need to go out into the world to do any empirical checking to know these things, so they are, to that degree at least, analytical — John
Everything TGW says about Kripke in this thread seems about right to me (and I've read N&N twice, and tons of secondary literature). Most disagreements seem to stem from John and Mongrel misreading Kripke in various ways — Pierre-Normand
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