If it were the case that meat were necessary, would you condone its consumption? If yes, what do you consider to be baseline necessity? — jastopher
If it were the case that meat were necessary, would you condone its consumption? If yes, what do you consider to be baseline necessity?
— jastopher
"Ought implies can," so, yes.
Baseline necessity would be something that otherwise would seriously impact your health or life. — NKBJ
So we should just do away with morality completely because some people are jerks? — NKBJ
Again, it's not recent... — NKBJ
This is a metaethical discussion. You may want to start a new thread. — NKBJ
You seem to just be assuming certain things — Sapientia
They seem to just be a way of making your opinion sound more authoritative than it actually is. — Sapientia
aren't recognised in law — Sapientia
And that's fundamentally what this entire debate has come down to. It's no longer an argument about who has the best reasons for the ideal moral stance. Instead it's become an exercise for finding any excuses necessary to justify existing lifestyles, lest we have too much pesky radicalism. Better to invent spurious reasons to justify the current state of the world than contemplate any meaningful change to improve our lives. Casual centrism reigns supreme. All the beautiful normative ideals have devolved into the brutal descriptive reality: humans have power over animals, so we can do with them as we please. Might makes right.
What a glorious philosophy! — Uber
Even if that were the case, I've been arguing about suffering and the capacity to suffer. And I think that argument applies even if I am not a rights theorist. — NKBJ
I wouldn't be logically inconsistent. — Moliere
Are you actually interested in knowing how others think about their ethical lives? — Moliere
It's not the same because I am an avowed speciesist so I don't have a problem in placing my needs and wants before those of animals. — Txastopher
False, because neither of those two cases have anything to do with species. They have to do with moral capacity and positive impact for the world.In the first case you engaged in ableism and in the second case you are engaged in speciesism. — Txastopher
Yet more speciesism. — Txastopher
It doesn’t follow from any of that that I am responsible for what other people do. I’m only responsible for buying meat from a supermarket. — Michael
Because you need to explain why you don't feel empathy for a cow, but you do for a human. What is the trait that differentiates the two living beings? — chatterbears
That's just how it is for many people, and that's just how it will continue to be for quite some time yet, I predict. I don't forsee a 'veggie revolution' on the horizon. Your views represent a minority. — Sapientia
It's not just a matter of whether it's right or wrong. It's a matter of, if it's wrong, how wrong? And why should I care enough to act any differently? You can make your case until the cows come home, but at the end of the day me likes meat. — Sapientia
It’s pretty obvious. Cows don’t have the cognitive capacity for empathy and compassion, let alone a desire for consistent ethical practices. — apokrisis
Yes, of course meat production isn't necessary in an absolute sense. There isn't much that is. But it's necessary to meet the demand. And there is a demand. We could keep going back and forth like this. — Sapientia
I am a normal human being who eats animals. — Marcus de Brun
If I hire a hitman to kill someone, am I responsible for the person's death? Or am I only responsible for paying the hitman? — chatterbears
You're buying meat. The slaughter house is your hitman. You pay the hitman to slaughter your meat for you. Are you responsible for the slaughter, or just responsible for paying the slaughter house? — chatterbears
A better analogy would be a thief who steals diamonds and then finds someone willing to buy them. Even if the buyer knows that the the diamonds are stolen, the buyer isn't responsible for the theft. — Michael
So if there was a business like this out there, where you KNEW the business was working on the basis of stealing from other people, would you still buy from them? — chatterbears
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