This is an incredibly far reaching claim. The first author of the UN report was himself Jewish; Noam Chomsky is Jewish; there are numerous other, less prominent Jewish critics of Israel. Are you claiming they are self-hating? How can it be basic for the left to be anti-semitic? That contradicts foundational principles which ground and influence leftist thinking. Zionism, Jewish nationalism, is a completely separate issue from Jewishness. And the present day issues are a matter completely separate from both. Basically I think if you got rid of the extreme right wing leadership and its UN pooping policies, many people would have less issue with the place.Basically, on this forum, as on almost every social media platform, there is an enormous amount of anti-Semitism. It is basic for the left to be anti-Semitic, and it's not just in the USA, but throughout the western world
The claim that any group of people have a "natural and historic right" to a nation in a certain location, separate and distinct from a legal right, is necessarily biased, however, as it favors a particular group of people over other groups. In other words, it's a claim that a particular group of people, and no other group of people, are entitled to a nation at a certain place. So, I think reference to rights in these cases is best avoided. Israel simply exists. — Ciceronianus the White
Basically, on this forum, as on almost every social media platform, there is an enormous amount of anti-Semitism. It is basic for the left to be anti-Semitic..., — LD Saunders
Maybe, it wouldn't be that extraordinary, but does that rise the level of declaring Israel a nation rife with human rights abuses? — Hanover
...but you're views on children are overly defensive and entirely unrealistic in your declaration that they are not dangerous. — Hanover
They still carry out assassinations with Mossad. I don't see in what way that is trying. — René Descartes
That's not what I said. I was simply saying they carry out assassinations. I disagree with all assassinations including those commited by France, Russia and the US. All I was trying to say is that assassinating people doesn't help build relationships. — René Descartes
...but you're views on children are overly defensive and entirely unrealistic in your declaration that they are not dangerous. — Hanover
Are you serious? — TimeLine
I don't understand how you would assume that I am not taking a "generous view" toward the Israelis when I am well aware of the continuous security threats and have said it as such - hence the relationship between security threats and children's rights - but children are not dangerous — TimeLine
This statement really isn't limited to Israel, but takes an unrealistic view and overly protective view of children. Some children simply are in fact dangerous. That's a fact. It's not like someone is innocently confused regarding the danger of his behavior until age 18 and then suddenly he's malicious. — Hanover
I immediately responded with no, before he stated, "you have no choice but to kill the child. The child could be used by the enemy to obtain information to be given back to them." It was distressing, to say the least, but understandable — TimeLine
Those that have signed a peace deal with Isreal really aren't Israel's enemies anymore. And still, the US has given the most to Israel when it totally dominates it's neighbours in every way, starting with it's nuclear deterrent.The USA actually gives far more to Israel's enemies than it does to Israel. — LD Saunders
The USA actually gives far more to Israel's enemies than it does to Israel.
— LD Saunders — René Descartes
The USA actually gives far more to Israel's enemies than it does to Israel. — René Descartes
Or not.Ummm... the Falklands war is basically a war where both sides stick to the International conventions in war and didn't engage in what are called war crimes. Civilians weren't targeted.
So that's one for the history books. — ssu
I never said any of that. I was quoting someone else and you are saying that I said it. I agree with you. — René Descartes
By the way, most Zionists in Israel have wanted nothing from the USA, PROVIDED the USA stops financing Israel's enemies. That has never happened. The USA actually gives far more to Israel's enemies than it does to Israel. — LD Saunders
I didn't want to get involved in this discussion. But this is irrelevant. Play the ball not the man (even if your opponent won't). — Baden
It's more about Zionism as opposed to Judaism. — René Descartes
Well,Or not.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2109429/A-dirty-war-British-soldiers-shot-dead-enemy-troops-waving-white-flag-Argentinian-prisoners-bayoneted-cold-blood-An-ex-Para-tells-horrors-Falklands.html
Every fact is both provable and disprovable by a well phrased Google search. See, https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/169761 — Hanover
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