Would I be any closer to the correct apprehension of reality/truth? — Posty McPostface
Perhaps — VagabondSpectre
Perhaps... — VagabondSpectre
But then again, perhaps not. — Bitter Crank
No. Aside from the fact that no one perfectly adheres to rules even if they believe they ought to l, what counts as a logical fallacy is relative to the logic you're using. Ergo, you may find out you were reasoning according to the wrong logic in some domain and thus have been reasoning fallaciously. — MindForged
If I were aware of the entire list of logical fallacies, would I be exempt from making wrong/bad inferences?
Would I be any closer to the correct apprehension of reality/truth? — Posty McPostface
There is only one true logical fallacy - the Logical Fallacy Fallacy. It is using the term "logical fallacy" without understanding the underlying basis. If you can't describe what the issue is with another person's argument without saying "XYZ Fallacy" then you have committed this fallacy.
If you disagree with another persons argument, you have to be able to express that disagreement in plain language without using labels or catch words. The term "logical fallacy" is just a lazy way of not having to think your position through. — T Clark
I have one for you. It's called the 'psychological fallacy', where one points out that someone is deriving a position or argument based solely on psychological needs. As if everything were driven by psychological need... — Posty McPostface
It's really insidious isn't it? One of the more thorny one's out there. — Posty McPostface
This is golden — Posty McPostface
If you disagree with another persons argument, you have to be able to express that disagreement in plain language without using labels or catch words. — T Clark
BTW, I don't think you have a big problem in this area. When you set out to express yourself clearly, you are clear. — Bitter Crank
I'm agreeing obviously. How can I disagree? — Posty McPostface
Would I be any closer to the correct apprehension of reality/truth? — Posty McPostface
Nobody is going to read this because it is too long, but I'm quoting it just because it is long. — Bitter Crank
I don't understand. I don't know if there's a theorem stating that if something in base one logic, applies universally to all other logics? Meaning, if I'm correct in one domain of logic, then by extension it should apply to all other domains of logic. — Posty McPostface
No, I don't think so. There is a difference between logical validity and soundness. Having valid syllogisms doesn't make you any closer to reality, not unless these syllogisms are sound (by having true premises). And having true premises requires non-theoretical commitments, such as the commitment to explore, learn, adapt, etc. Logic is form, sense is data. A computer may be programmed to be completely logical with respect to some input, but if there is no input, the computer has nothing to do. — darthbarracuda
One needs a big drill bit to get through thick skulls. — Bitter Crank
That's why the standard logical systems of our day treat arguments like the above as fallacious arguments, they commit the Existential fallacy. — MindForged
I believe my other point about imperfectly following rules is more pertinent to your question. — MindForged
The first two premises seem clearly true, they're analytic statements. But the logic takes us from 2 obviously true premises to an obviously false conclusion: there are, in fact, no horses with wings. That's why the standard logical systems of our day treat arguments like the above as fallacious arguments, they commit the Existential fallacy. — MindForged
It's just a short hand, it makes no difference. The issue is assuming that a class has members without asserting as a premise that the class has members. If someone is confused about what the term referred to, well, we are on the internet. — MindForged
Well, ↪Posty McPostface just confirmed we are not talking about epistemic content yet, but is this logically fallacious? Is the "existential fallacy" really a logical fallacy? The premises may be false, which makes the syllogism not-sound. But it is still valid. So what does fallacy mean here? — darthbarracuda
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