After all, what kind of good mother would have casual sex? — Ronin3000
The only 100% method of contraception is abstinence. — Ronin3000
Under current gynocentric laws in America, women have complete authority on what to do with the baby growing inside them. — Ronin3000
Let's assume that abortion is morally equivalent to murder. — Ronin3000
If you have casual sex as a man, you are risking pregnancy. If pregnancy happens, there is a chance that the woman will abort (legally murder) your baby or give birth to it and abuse it/raise it poorly. — Ronin3000
After all, what kind of good mother would have casual sex? — Ronin3000
Would a good mother risk getting impregnated by a guy she doesn't know well just for pleasure? Even if there is a 0.01% of pregnancy, would a good mother risk an unwanted pregnancy just for pleasure? I argue no. That's why I assume that no good mother has casual sex. — Ronin3000
Like I said in the first sentence, there is no 100% proven effective method of contraception other than abstinence. Therefore, all sex risks pregnancy. — Ronin3000
T Clark, when I say "let's assume X" I am trying to shift the discussion away from secondary debates like the morality of abortion so that I can reach a meaningful conclusion. If you are going to bog me down in whether or not abortion is murder, then I think you are not philosophically minded, and this thread is not for you. — Ronin3000
I argue that risking the murder/maltreatment of your children in exchange for sexual pleasure is immoral. — Ronin3000
Is my method moral even though it increases the risk of unwanted pregnancy in exchange for increased pleasure? — Ronin3000
If you are going to bog me down in whether or not abortion is murder, then I think you are not philosophically minded, and this thread is not for you. — Ronin3000
just for pleasure — Ronin3000
The risk of you killing someone while driving is always more than 0%, killing someone is bad, therefore driving is immoral.
The risk of your offspring being dissatisfied with life is always more than 0%, being dissatisfied with life is bad, therefore procreation is immoral. (Hey, Schop!) — Πετροκότσυφας
if you don't want to get pregnant, and since being deliberately dumb means you don't take care of yourself and not caring for yourself means that you can't achieve the virtue you're capable of, then it is immoral to choose a minor intensification of pleasure instead of reliable methods of contraception. Even more so, if you're not willing to proceed with the pregnancy. — Πετροκότσυφας
Like I said in the first sentence, there is no 100% proven effective method of contraception other than abstinence. Therefore, all sex risks pregnancy. — Ronin3000
The only 100% method of contraception is abstinence. Therefore, any casual sex risks the possibility of unplanned pregnancy. Under current gynocentric laws in America, women have complete authority on what to do with the baby growing inside them. They can even legally kill the baby. Let's assume that abortion is morally equivalent to murder — Ronin3000
The only 100% method of contraception is abstinence. Therefore, any casual sex risks the possibility of unplanned pregnancy. Under current gynocentric laws in America, women have complete authority on what to do with the baby growing inside them. They can even legally kill the baby. Let's assume that abortion is morally equivalent to murder. — Ronin3000
I sure wouldn't stipulate that all abortion is equivalent to murder, that's just not true. I don't believe that a zygote is equivalent to a person, it's just not the same thing. — Sam26
I sure wouldn't stipulate that all abortion is equivalent to murder, that's just not true. I don't believe that a zygote is equivalent to a person, it's just not the same thing. The most you can say is it's a potential person, and as such it has value. — Sam26
Consider a case where the mother's life is in danger if she gives birth, how can it be murder to take the life of the fetus to protect her own life? I — Sam26
You could argue that some, most, or many abortions are immoral, but that has to be decided on a case by case basis. — Sam26
the fetus has rights, this is a case of competing rights - — Rank Amateur
If men could get pregnant, abortion on demand would be a sacrament. — Bitter Crank
legal and moral are at best distance cousins — Rank Amateur
legal and moral are at best distance cousins — Rank Amateur
I wouldn't stipulate abortion is murder either. All the other points there are far from settled and there are good arguments for and against - and the best arguments IMO on both sides of the issue have abandoned any tie to person hood at all. — Rank Amateur
the fetus has rights, this is a case of competing rights - — Rank Amateur
I don't see any reason you can't make an argument either for or against abortion as moral or immoral, understanding of course that all such general judgments can be mitigated by particular circumstances. — Rank Amateur
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