What scientific definition? As far as I'm aware there is no settled scientific definition and if you just mean "intelligence is what IQ tests measure" then the charge of circularity remains meet. As for my definition of intelligence, my whole point is that intelligence is not a concept that can be defined in the way you want it defined.Otherwise I'm going to assume you were referring to the scientific definition
But that's to assume that intelligence is something that can be measured, and simply to say that it is because we measure it with IQ tests is a petitio principii. — MetaphysicsNow
What scientific definition? As far as I'm aware there is no settled scientific definition and if you just mean "intelligence is what IQ tests measure" then the charge of circularity remains meet. As for my definition of intelligence, my whole point is that intelligence is not a concept that can be defined in the way you want it defined. — MetaphysicsNow
To dismiss the validity of iq tests would be to dismiss that the ability to answer questions correctly has any relation with cognitive ability.
your underlying argument remains the same:
Premise: IQ tests measure something
Premise: That something is intelligence
Conclusion: Therefore IQ tests measure intelligence. — MetaphysicsNow
if by "dismissing the validity of IQ tests" you mean something like "raising skeptical challenges about what IQ tests are supposed to be measuring" — MetaphysicsNow
Do you think there are differences in intelligence among people? — Tomseltje
Do you think there are differences in intelligence among people? — Tomseltje
Now either answer the question, or claim you can't answer it.. but simply not adressing it seems quite disingenious.
Well if intelligence is that which is measured by IQ tests, then intelligence for me is just an ability to take IQ tests, but then your question just becomesintelligence : that what IQ tests measure
I have no problem with questioning the validity of IQ tests, wich in my opinion are still not 100% accurate, especially when applied interculturally. Everything measured in applied science that get's represented by numbers has an error margin. Obviously that error margin is greater when one applies iq tests interculturally compared to intraculturally. — Tomseltje
But it is precisely that assumption - i.e. that intelligence is a thing that can be measured - that is under scrutiny here, so as a defence of using IQ tests as a reference measure of intelligence, there remains some question begging going on. However, perhaps I've misunderstood what you are trying to do in your post.Let's hypothetically say that we have some ways to measure highly objective, critically accurate, perfect measurement of intelligence, and that we have the scores for 100 random people.
How do you expect me to answer the question when you have not even clarified what scientific definition of intelligence you suppose everyone to be familiar with. — MetaphysicsNow
If IQ tests measure intelligence and intelligence is nothing other than what IQ tests measure, then I cannot see how an IQ test can be inaccurate, even in principle — SophistiCat
Does a measuring cylinder measure the amount of a liquid one puts in it? — Tomseltje
Not having a definition in that sense, however, does not prevent me from recognising instances of intelligent behaviour — MetaphysicsNow
But all this makes sense only if the liquid volume can be given independently of what the measuring cylinder is gauging. — SophistiCat
When you recognise someone in a crowd, do you measure them? — MetaphysicsNow
I speculate that IQ test is "accurate" but have "notable deviation". — FLUX23
And when you recognise that you have made a mistake (if you ever do) do you thereby measure that fact? — MetaphysicsNow
Take your pick. I presume you have made a mistake at some point during your life, and have recognised that you had made that mistake. In that case, the fact that you recognised, yet did not measure, was the fact that you made that mistake. — MetaphysicsNow
If IQ tests measure intelligence and intelligence is nothing other than what IQ tests measure, then I cannot see how an IQ test can be inaccurate — SophistiCat
Recognising something and measuring that thing are, in general, two entirely distinct activities. — MetaphysicsNow
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