There are no black swans. — creativesoul
Through our available evidence our consciousnesses is an emergent property from our physiology. — Kamikaze Butter
But aside from the fact that people use the words I don't know I'd go so far as to say there is some advantage to using them -- they are ambiguous and often seem to result in more misunderstanding than understanding. — Moliere
Truth(or falsehood) does not depend on assertion, it is a property of assertion. — unenlightened
And if there is nothing asserted, then indeed there is is nothing of which it can be further asserted that it is true or false. — unenlightened
So truth is objective. And 'objectively true' is a tautology, like 'truly true'. — unenlightened
I restate my notion: an assertion is true if the entity toward which the assertion is directed shows itself to be as asserted. — Arne
I am uncertain as to what subject/object adds to the discussion. Feel free to enlighten me in that regard. — Arne
What entity is this assertion directed towards? I need to see if it is as asserted, before assenting to it. — unenlightened
it seems to me that your subject/object distinction could just as well be handled by saying some people are simply not in a position to make the true/false call. — Arne
Well who is in a position to make the call for the pain in an amputated leg? We all agree that the amputee does not have the leg any more than you or I have it. What position counts as a position? — unenlightened
Hmm, why is that? — Posty McPostface
So truth is objective. And 'objectively true' is a tautology, like 'truly true'. — unenlightened
Or actually real? Or really true? Or truly real? Or actually true? — Arne
that which actually is — Pattern-chaser
I do not know who it is but I know it is not me.
If there is a person in a position to make a final determination of true/false, calling the decision subjective/objective does not make it any less true/false. — Arne
Phantom limb pain is real pain in a phantom limb. There are subjective truths. — unenlightened
If you start a topic on the hangover philosophy — Posty McPostface
What is? I'm afraid I'm confused myself. — Posty McPostface
The objective subjective trap is something I have noticed occurring for quite some time now. People talk about being objective or subjective; but, what does that even mean? — Posty McPostface
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