A distinction needs to be drawn between belief statements and belief,
— creativesoul
Perhaps; remind me of how you do this. — Banno
I would agree that belief statements can be put in form of propositional attitude. Not all belief consists of predication. As before... — creativesoul
.All statements are predication. — creativesoul
An individual's belief is inscrutable
I tried to defend the notion that to believe something is to act as if it is true. It didn't work, because one can act in ways contrary to one's beliefs. It's a result of the lack of symmetry between beliefs and actions mentioned above - Beliefs explain but do not determine actions. Thanks due to Hanover.
Any belief can be made to account for any action, by adding suitable auxiliary beliefs. — Banno
what would turn a desire to find my keys into a desire to look for them in the kitchen? — Srap Tasmaner
Yeah, because he believed that there was a good chance his keys were there. — Sapientia
So even though as Hanover pointed out we may never get it right, we might get close enough to make no difference. — Banno
Then meaning is not use. Meaning is your internal idea approximated in the picture you paint through utterances, gestures, or an actual picture. Some are better at painting pictures and are easily and accurately understood and some are better at interpreting and understanding what is being conveyed, but others not. — Hanover
I would agree that belief statements can be put in form of propositional attitude. Not all belief consists of predication. As before...
— creativesoul
You don't see this as contradictory. OK. You think a belief can be both an attitude towards a proposition and yet not consist in a predication, as if a proposition need not be a predication. And yet you also say
All statements are predication.
— creativesoul
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I don't find that at all helpful. — Banno
What we can get closer to is agreement, not meaning. — Banno
Probability?
I don't think so. I think we are using belief here simply to mark the fact that the keys might not be in the kitchen. — Banno
...meaning exists as a real qualitative state, known by the person holding it. — Hanover
So, Pat searched the kitchen, but not because he believed that there was a good chance his keys were there? Then why did he search the kitchen? — Sapientia
I don't agree. Meaning, so far as it has any meaning, is constructed by folks doing stuf — Banno
Same here. That's my preferred method of communication and learning. It's very tedious and cumbersome though. Not something that will ever allow you to succeed in college. Maybe if you were ultra fast at this method, which I am not. — Posty McPostface
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