I think you misunderstood what I'm trying to show in my response. — TheWillowOfDarkness
For me, suffering a headache is good, because I was trying to demonstrate that any form of suffering hurts. — TheWillowOfDarkness
We cannot, as darth was doing, suggest that some forms of suffering do not hurt because they have a different pain or cause less damage to the body or mind - at least if we are being honest. — TheWillowOfDarkness
My point was that darth was trying to bury the suffering of the childless couple to maintain a fiction of a worthless life and victory over suffering. — TheWillowOfDarkness
So, what you are suggesting of anti-natalism is true. They advocate our extinction, no matter how worthwhile lives might be. — TheWillowOfDarkness
Though, I don't think you quite grasp what the anti-natalist is about. For them, the issue is not that life is worthless, it is that suffering is too great to make it ethical. The call for extinction is ground in the presence of suffering, not in life being worthless. — TheWillowOfDarkness
You cannot stop life. Even if all humans stopped reproducing and went extinct, there would remain most of the animals, which would probably flourish under the absence of humans. There would still be lots of pain and suffering, animals ripping each other to shreds over mating rights, hunting others for food, etc.; and over time, those remaining apes would probably evolve into more complex species similar to humans. — Zosito
And even if you somehow managed to stop all life on earth, surely there must be life on other planets? We don't have evidence for it, but it seems to me a very plausible inference. But even if there was no life in other planets, the bacteria left over on earth would probably evolve into more and more complex organisms over time again. — Zosito
Anti-natalist speak of some "solution" to suffering, as if they stand somehow outside of nature, judging it and coming up with ways to manipulate it. But the nature that permeates all is in them as well. — Zosito
I think mostly because suffering illuminates our existential condition while happiness clouds our knowledge of it. We cannot be happy while actually confronting the void. — darthbarracuda
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