The average person has around 11-20 unique sexual partners in his or her lifetime — Maw

meaning they are depriving others. If we are all stingy with sex, nobody will get enough. I've had several hundred and I regret none of them. Though, admittedly, some were better, some were a lot better, than others.

No, those who don't approve of casual sex should avoid it. Those who don't approve but do it anyway perhaps should be ashamed. There is no reason why those who do approve of it should feel shame.

But, the Lord is beneficial and would not want us to indulge in such promiscuous activities. Heed the Lord!

But, the Lord is beneficial and would not want us to indulge in such promiscuous activities. Heed the Lord! — Posty McPostface

Posty, dear: Do you honestly think that the beneficial Lord, creator of universes, infinite, all knowing, all seeing, every present, all powerful, etc. is actually concerned with the number of times you have sex for any purpose -- productive or otherwise?

How to you square the galaxy-spanning deity with the same god having a detailed interest in your penis-related activities?

Don't you suppose that Gawd, in His infinite mercy, knowing what life was going to be like most of the time, would provide a compensation like a built in amusement park? What kind of joy-killing monster do you think Gawd is?

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Orgasms are proof that God wants us to be happy.

Orgasms are proof that God wants us to be happy. — Bitter Crank

Yes, the Lord does work in mysterious ways.

"It bothers me that she's not the least bit curious."

How to you square the galaxy-spanning deity with the same god having a detailed interest in your penis-related activities? — Bitter Crank

God created us so he'd have some porn to watch.

Like as not.

Morality was designed with the group in mind. It was not designed for the individual. This is based on the team being more than the sum of its parts. A fully assembled sports car is more than a pile of parts, even of the parts in the pile look prettier. The team affect adds a new dimension to the parts. Morality was designed to build the sports car and not just polish the parts. Look at the 10 Commandments from the POV of a team and it makes sense.

Immorality, in that sense, is not so much good and evil, as it is anything that adds flaws to the team which make it less additive and less efficient. Casual sex can cause social disease which can hurt the team. Sex is also a game which can involve sweet little lies and promises you can't keep. This can also impact the team if the two lovers lose attraction. It is like having sex with a coworker, which does not work out for one of the two, yet you still have to work together. The team can suffer.

However, there are also scenarios where the two lovers become a better team, who both also play on the larger team and make it better. The math of immorally is more complex than the opening action. It also has to include the aftermath and the total impact on the larger team.

No point in wasting my time with a bigot. — Maw

That's an oxymoron. Being the one to quit the debate out of intolerance towards bigotry makes you yourself a bigot.

Think: How much porn do humans produce?

Maybe it's the meaning of life.

Life only wants you to think that it's about sex in order to obfuscate its cyclical existential crisis.

Like all good show(o)men, it fakes it until you makes it.

And you shouldn't let this deflate you; in place of an Ayn Rand novel you get to enjoy an erotic mystery.

I wonder how it is that Agustino thinks casual sex is immoral, and further, that it "cultivates selfishness", "treats persons as objects", and "damages loyalty and devotion", and yet shows devoted admiration towards Donald Trump, who not only engaged in casual sex many many many times, but cheated on his pregnant wife with a porn star.

I wonder how it is that Agustino thinks casual sex is immoral, and further, that it "cultivates selfishness", "treats persons as objects", and "damages loyalty and devotion", and yet shows devoted admiration towards Donald Trump, who not only engaged in casual sex many many many times, but cheated on his pregnant wife with a porn star. — Maw

Well, I don't admire Trump in that respect, I think it is a very shameful thing, and he should be ashamed of those actions.

And you don't think this "cultivated" immoral traits and characteristics that would adversely affect his Presidency?

And you don't think this "cultivated" immoral traits and characteristics that would adversely affect his Presidency? — Maw

Well, he is quite old now to be promoting promiscuity, and it doesn't appear that he is.

I say that this side of Trump is definitely something that developed out of the cultural milieu he was positioned in. That's what he saw around himself, and that's what he did. It's the media who made promiscuous sex more acceptable after all.

It's the media who made promiscuous sex more acceptable after all. — Agustino

You say that as if that were an argument, but it ain't one.

Yeah the media made Trump fuck a porn star while his wife was pregnant with his child, which occurred slightly over 10 years ago, when Trump was "not old" I guess. Gotcha.

If i were married to someone with 9 figures in the bank, i think I could overlook a little indiscretion.

You are jumping from different conclusions way too fast. A slippery slope fallacy it seems. To argue morals of a particular act because of hypothetical effects is not really arguable. If you look at it at its base and wonder whether having sex outside of context of religion, you would see there is no basis to call casual sex "immoral". Two people willfully coming in contact with one another is not immoral at all. That is if you believe in the right of human to his body and what he does with it.