What do you mean by 'irrefutable belief'? — Txastopher
Irrefutable only means that it cannot be disproved using the data available. — Isaac Shmukler
Consequently, if one knows something to be truly irrefutable, it is not a belief, but rather a fact. — Txastopher
By irrefutable I didn't mean that one cannot disprove it even theoretically. — Isaac Shmukler
Here's an irrefutable belief: My ear is itchy. — Banno
Your example of an itchy ear could, conceivably, be a lie — Txastopher
If refutable means can be shown to be untrue, then irrefutable means cannot be shown to be untrue; or can be shown to be true. — Txastopher
one stops to exist after one is dead — Isaac Shmukler
I don't care if you believe me or not; I believe my ear is itchy because... well, my ear is itchy. For me, doubt has no place here. — Banno
"Cannot be shown to be untrue" is not the same as "can be shown to be true". — Banno
↪Txastopher There is a world of difference between you believing tht my ear is itchy, and my believing that my ear is itchy.
They are two completely different things. — Banno
If I tell you that my ear itches, then it is refutable since I may be lying. — Txastopher
I thought we'd established that we are not talking about beliefs. — Txastopher
Should irrefutable beliefs be valued according to their truth or their utility? — Isaac Shmukler
If I tell you that my ear itches, then it is refutable since I may be lying.
— Txastopher
And how would you refute this? How would you show that I was lying? — Banno
↪Txastopher Why can't there be a proposition that cannot be shown to be true, nor shown to be untrue?
Actually, such propositions underpin Gödel's incompleteness theorems. — Banno
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