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  • Isaac Shmukler
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    Why "appreciated" is not good enough for you?
  • Isaac Shmukler
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    I agree that we feel that there is a difference between "appreciated" and "beautiful" but we can explain that this is due to the usually similar taste of people regarding beauty.
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  • Isaac Shmukler
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    Now, I didn't get what you mean.
  • Isaac Shmukler
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    Anyways, now that we have defined "beauty" (at least partially), can you help me find its general origin?
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  • Isaac Shmukler
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    Let's talk about one individual experiencing beauty, what is this experience's origin?
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  • Isaac Shmukler
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    An important group is not required, unless one wants it to be importantly beautiful.
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  • Isaac Shmukler
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    If that is what you meant to ask. These sub-experiences are reactions, I would say.
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  • Isaac Shmukler
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    There could be a cultural factor or some other reasons causing individuals to react differently to the same ballerina.
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  • Isaac Shmukler
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    Let's look through the entire life of a single individual, why is it that some things are beautiful to his eyes and some aren't?
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  • Isaac Shmukler
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    I will try to answer my question and you are welcome to comment.
    I have found a common factor to the phenomenon of beauty: The extent by which the object seems to be designed thoughtfully. The more an object gives this impression the more it will be beautiful.
    This is of course, not scientific, but many examples confirm this theory.
    Again, the more there is an impression that there is a "thought behind" the object, the more the object will be beautiful.
  • Isaac Shmukler
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    This is why sophistication and symmetry very often contribute to beauty.
    A chaotic art is not a disproof to this theory since its chaotic effect is intentional.
  • Isaac Shmukler
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    Any intended simplicity is also merely another kind of sophistication.
  • Isaac Shmukler
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    is the beautiful a matter of psychology?tim wood
    What is the other possibility?
    (I am afraid that we will continue only later since I have to go now.)
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  • Aleksander Kvam
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    t.v. movies and fashion magazines probally has a hand in this...
  • BrianW
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    ; ;

    Beauty can be both objective and subjective. Objectivity and subjectivity do not necessarily negate each other. Suppose we defined beauty as the aspect of attraction in something. Isn't that as objective as it is subjective?
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    Beauty is a relationship - both objective and subjective. Because everything in LIFE is dependent upon each other, therefore, everything in LIFE has the capacity to attract another and has beauty as an inherent quality. However, there is also the beauty that is a real-time relationship between aspects that are in a particular phase of activity/interrelation - this is relative and subjective.

    For example: Suppose you live somewhere in the Alps and outside your house is a most captivating scenery. However, due to the demands of your employment there is never time to enjoy that beauty. Now, also, suppose your neighbour is a work/stay-at-home individual who wakes up every morning and meditates to the beautiful scenery. Though such is the predominant state of their relation to the Alps' beauty, it does not take away from it. At any time, should they wish and for whatever reasons, any of them could ignore that beauty as much as they could appreciate it. That is what free-will is about - CHOICE. To me, ugly just means a lack of appreciation!
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  • Corvus
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    To me, beauty is just my feeling about something. The feeling, like all other emotions, vacillates through time and circumstances changes.
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    You fail to understand how both absoluteness and relativity, or objectivity and subjectivity, interrelate with each other. An inherent quality is also a relationship. To give an example closer to home:

    Dna is an inherent quality in our genetic make-up. However, it is also a relationship in the sense that multifarious dominant and recessive factors combine to give the specific outcome that we are. It expresses both the overall person as well as the multiple channels of activity.

    Allow me to explain in principles:

    The truth, though singular and unyielding, cannot be expressed only in unity. If that were the case, then there would be no multiplicity. The ultimate is also the fundamental; the greatest is the simplest. That which is absolute is also the most relative. Hence LIFE is not just the whole but the individual as well.

    Beauty is an aspect of the absolute, but only with respect to its relative aspects. If beauty was the quality of attraction in the absolute only, what would it be attracting? There would be nothing beyond itself to attract, else, it would not be absolute. However, because it operates in the whole through the many, it is both a principle and a relationship. It defines both identity and activity.
    Another analogy would be a comparison with sense perception. Not only are we aware of our whole body as one, but also of each appendage independently though not detached. We can move one arm or leg while the other remains dormant even though sensation is continuously active in both.
    The fundamental principle of beauty is the same - it is present within all life, though, by its activity, particular areas can be exemplified over others depending on choice.

    As an identity, we can speak of that or that being the beauty of something. As a relationship, we can also speak of beauty as being in our perception, that is, in our minds, thoughts, emotions, feelings, sentiments, etc. Unfortunately, our language, as yet, does not filter perspective and cannot differentiate between subjectivity and objectivity without giving a lengthy and often tiresome discussion.

    [When science discovered the atom, it proclaimed it to be the fundamental of life. Years later, simpler configurations have been discovered, but because the language is still the same, we find that we keep shifting from one ultimate to another. Scientists want to claim that what they have discovered is the furthest in human knowledge, though, over the years, philosophy has proved that literal fact and practical fact are not the same. Science works in literal activity while philosophy works in practical activity. Hence, philosophy, however primitive it may be, realized that the world was a globe thousands of years before science saw that it was.]
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