I think heterosexuality is inherently related to patriarchal subordination of women. — darthbarracuda
And the idea that all that makes sex moral is "consent", is related to capitalism, because it makes sex out to be a service or exchange between two parties - the buyer and the seller. Invariably the buyer is the man, the seller is the woman. — darthbarracuda
We do not typically ask for consent for other activities - I do not ask for consent to sit across from you, for example. I do not ask for consent when I approach a cashier to check out from the grocery store — darthbarracuda
Your sex life isn't like mine I guess.So then what is it about sex that makes consent so important? It is because (this sort of?) sex is inherently violating, objectifying, manipulating. — darthbarracuda
Consider: it is usually the man who asks for consent of the woman (to do things to her body, to use her body as a mean for his own climax, to satisfy some urge that is inherently questionable). — darthbarracuda
My perspective on consent in sex is this: if you feel the need to ask for consent, then there is something questionable about what you wish to do (to the other person). "Kinks" are so often not about satisfying the other person but instead are about whether or not the other person will allow you to do something to them. — darthbarracuda
"I respect you as a person, so I ask you for consent so that I can treat you not as a person but as an object." Yet this is clearly contradictory, you cannot ask a person to suspend their dignity and still claim to respect them as a person. — darthbarracuda
[a] And the idea that all that makes sex moral is "consent", is related to capitalism, because it makes sex out to be a service or exchange between two parties- [c] the buyer and the seller. Invariably the buyer is the man, the seller is the woman. The woman is the object, the man is the subject. — darthbarracuda
The woman is the object, the man is the subject. — darthbarracuda
The man orgasms in ~5 minutes, the woman never does. — darthbarracuda
In fact, the notion of sexual consent itself brings with it certain revealing assumptions. We do not typically ask for consent for other activities - I do not ask for consent to sit across from you, for example. I do not ask for consent when I approach a cashier to check out from the grocery store. — darthbarracuda
So then what is it about sex that makes consent so important? — darthbarracuda
sex is inherently violating, objectifying, manipulating. Consider: it is usually the man who asks for consent of the woman — darthbarracuda
Yet this is clearly contradictory, you cannot ask a person to suspend their dignity and still claim to respect them as a person. — darthbarracuda
We do not typically ask for consent for other activities - I do not ask for consent to sit across from you, for example. — darthbarracuda
However, as Michael pointed out, communicating consent is not always verbal. — BlueBanana
I think heterosexuality is inherently related to patriarchal subordination of women. And the idea that all that makes sex moral is "consent", is related to capitalism, because it makes sex out to be a service or exchange between two parties - the buyer and the seller. — darthbarracuda
The woman gives, the man takes. The man orgasms in ~5 minutes, the woman never does. — darthbarracuda
So then what is it about sex that makes consent so important?
Sex is a biological, personal, and social act. People obtain consent for the same reason that "consent" of a sort is involved in inviting someone to dinner, inviting someone to dance, inviting someone to kill a couple bottles of good wine, go for a walk in the woods, or go swimming together. Pleasurable activities are best when people are enthusiastically engaged. Consenting allows both partners to set up the situation for the best possible results.
It is because (this sort of?) sex is inherently violating, objectifying, manipulating. — darthbarracuda
My perspective on consent in sex is this: if you feel the need to ask for consent, then there is something questionable about what you wish to do (to the other person). — darthbarracuda
Bataille has argued that the erotic is inherently about defilement. — darthbarracuda
the woman has perfect, clean beauty that is defiled by the man. — darthbarracuda
The man orgasms in ~5 minutes, the woman never does. — darthbarracuda
im sure it mostly for the sake of pleasure..., sex to keep the species going — 0 thru 9
I think heterosexuality is inherently related to patriarchal subordination of women. And the idea that all that makes sex moral is "consent", is related to capitalism, because it makes sex out to be a service or exchange between two parties - the buyer and the seller. — darthbarracuda
The woman is the object, the man is the subject. The man "scores" a home run. The woman gives, the man takes. The man orgasms in ~5 minutes, the woman never does. — darthbarracuda
, sex to keep the species going
— 0 thru 9
im sure it mostly for the sake of pleasure... — Aleksander Kvam
Which species will have more individuals, and thus be more likely to survive? The one with the pleasurable sex, or the one with “meh”? — 0 thru 9
So to say "that a woman never does" is almost correct for me as I can count how many times in my life that I have truly achieved orgasm. As a man, can you count how many times you have achieved orgasm?
And since we are on the subject: Is it necessary for a man to ejaculate to have an orgasm? Or do men have other forms of orgasm? — ArguingWAristotleTiff
Heterosexuality = patriarchal subordination is a plank in the platform of constructionism. The equivalence supposes that natural processes operating over many, many millions of years have nothing to do with us. The hateful feminists who spout this nonsense think heterosexuality is a plot hatched in the halls of wicked patriarchal capitalist, imperialist, sexist, racist males. — Bitter Crank
And yet I do ask for consent before I walk into your house, drive your car, remove your earrings from your ear, or play with your tongue, So we've now established that some things require consent and others don't. Typically we require consent when we seek to use something that belongs to someone else, which would include anything from your ballpoint pen to your vagina. — Hanover
I also happen to have a low libido that makes me basically asexual. I have never had sex nor do I particularly have the need or desire to. I believe I see sex in a different way than most people do and this may be influenced by my lack of sex drive. Sex seems clumsy, awkward and particularly unsanitary. But it also seems, to me, to be very unsettling at times. — darthbarracuda
She may consent because she feels compelled to by the culture she was raised in. A man may consent because he feels to do otherwise would be an indication of not being a man (in our culture, it seems as though men must want sex - or they are not a man). — darthbarracuda
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