I suggest (along with Buddhists and Hindus), that the restful end-of-lives is experienced only by people who are already restful. — Michael Ossipoff
At the end of a life, before the deep timeless and identityless-ness is reached, there's a time of mere absence of waking-consciousness, a time when the person doesn't consciously remember about his/her recent life, or know whether s/he is coming or going....but retains hir (his/her) subconscious inclinations, predispositions, and will-to-life.
That will-to-life is also inborn, in an infant, and a not-yet-born infant. — Michael Ossipoff
I suggest (along with Buddhists and Hindus), that the restful end-of-lives is experienced only by people who are already restful. — Michael Ossipoff
That doesn't follow. — schopenhauer1
I could just say death is the end of life for that individual being. That is more empirically evident than your schema.
At the end of a life, before the deep timeless and identityless-ness is reached, there's a time of mere absence of waking-consciousness, a time when the person doesn't consciously remember about his/her recent life, or know whether s/he is coming or going....but retains hir (his/her) subconscious inclinations, predispositions, and will-to-life.
That will-to-life is also inborn, in an infant, and a not-yet-born infant. — Michael Ossipoff
Besides doctrines from Hindu/Buddhist writings, what proof is there of this reincarnation of the individual?
Have you read Clement Rosset? You might like his take on the essential metaphysical "cruelty" of the universe, and how the two responses to that are basically either the fig-leaf approach of traditional philosophies or the joyful yes-saying(eternal return, etc.) of a few maverick philosophers like Montaigne and Nietzsche. — gurugeorge
The best response is to not have another person be born to experience the broken world that is always needing maintenance repair, novel change,and stuff to occupy the restless human striving. — schopenhauer1
See, the problem is, most people don't find that problematic, because most people are built to cope with it just fine - in which case you might consider the possibility that it's you that's "broken" (I trust you understand I don't mean that in an insulting way, but as something for contemplation). — gurugeorge
So unevenly distributed? Ah right — schopenhauer1
I find it interesting that this very big important part of the human experience is so hard for people to achieve, maintain, and access. Only some people experience it and sustain it. That it’s not something more common is troubling and speaks to more brokenness to begin with. — schopenhauer1
I don't think it's all that helpful to cast the universe in such human terms though. It's really more that the universe is indifferent - you can go with the grain or against the grain, the universe doesn't care one way or the other. — gurugeorge
set your standards low and you won`t be disappointed :joke: — Aleksander Kvam
low-standards could also mean living a minimalistic and simple life. — Aleksander Kvam
Well I haven't seen any manifestations of particularism in the universe, so I go with "indifferent." ;) — gurugeorge
So you want everything about life to be easy for you, and otherwise it's "broken". You're too demanding; you expect too much. That's the source of your dis-satisfaction. You expect a physical world to be perfect, some sort of custom-deluxe provided environment for you, and you expect human-animals to have immediate complete mastery of life. — Michael Ossipoff
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You tend to personalize or psychologize the philosophy rather than view it as a subject separated from the person who holds it. I suggest fruitful dialogue would be had from looking at the viewpoint and not throwing it back on the viewer. That would be a subtle form of ad hominem, and a turn away from the issues.
.I will say that if I was to have set a philosophical trap, you stepped right in it. Your reply here reflects the exact point that the OP was making. The issue is not why don’t we learn to toughen up and accept our lot, but rather, what is going on here that this is our lot.
And changing the world to fit you, could be hard or even impossible, so you either adapt or change yourself. — Aleksander Kvam
a presumption that your own perceptions, experiences, feelings and impressions, and your emotional conclusions from, and reaction to, them, have universal authority — Michael Ossipoff
The point is an integral part of what most people consider a valuable good, is not achieved by most. — schopenhauer1
I was just commenting about assertion. ...and a presumption that your own perceptions, experiences, feelings and impressions, and your emotional conclusions from, and reaction to, them, have universal authority about how things are. — Michael Ossipoff
but is that avoidable when criticizing positions? — Michael Ossipoff
“I want it all! I want cushy paradise on Earth! I want and [believe that I] need constant entertainment!” — Michael Ossipoff
I don’t believe in ad-hominem critical attack-style, but what answer to you leave for me, other than to say that your non-acceptance of life as it is, is unreaslistic? — Michael Ossipoff
Not achieved by "most?" I'm not sure if people have such a concrete idea of their ideal partner as all that, — gurugeorge
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