This has exactly zero bearing on whether Trump colluded or not and the Russian intereference in the election. It's a red herring. — Benkei
If this DNC Russian hack narrative turns out to be false, based on proof given by Assange, the first of wave of DNC and swamp lies is exposed. — wellwisher
If this DNC Russian hack narrative turns out to be false, based on proof given by Assange, the first of wave of DNC and swamp lies is exposed. — wellwisher
But as he now has a large constituency of supporters who will believe anything he says, notwithstanding the abundant documentation of Trump's lies and un-truths, then these people are ready to believe that the whole 'Russia thing' is really a sinister DNC plot. And they'll stand and applaud his stump speeches, and turn out and vote for him again and again. — Wayfarer
A demagogue /ˈdɛməɡɒɡ/ (from Greek δημαγωγός, a popular leader, a leader of a mob, from δῆμος, people, populace, the commons + ἀγωγός leading, leader)[1] or rabble-rouser is a leader in a democracy who gains popularity by exploiting prejudice and ignorance among the common people, whipping up the passions of the crowd and shutting down reasoned deliberation.[1][2][3][4] Demagogues overturn established customs of political conduct, or promise or threaten to do so.
The first four aren't true. That's all landlines. The last one is greatly helped by GPS but not dependent on it. — Benkei
My dear friend, I am not sure you realize just how dependent we have become on the communication through satellites. Here in the USA, many people, MANY people no longer have "land lines" because they have a cell phone. Most land line owners are people who work from home and those over 45+. It might be different over in the Netherlands but my Indian that was just in Europe said that the cell phone reception there was like two tin cans and a string between. Here? If the satellites were knocked out cell phones will be affected. Even if we were able to time stamp our transactions with the rest of the world via landline phones, there would be a huge lag which would halt any trading of stocks or monetary exchanges. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
The control over our power grid again I assert it would be a timing issue that would cause surges in power and rolling black outs. "If" that were to happen, the cascading affect or the secondary and tertiary impact on our hospitals, police stations, fire department would be crippling. All of our first responders are using GPS which is why they are able to communicate via truck to truck rather than to dispatch and back. Again, I am not saying it is impossible but it will slow down the warp speed in which we have become dependent on. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
GPS plays a crucial role our ability to control logistical control over the delievering of our food and fuel across America. I am not sure how it works in the Netherlands, if you are all still on street corners with your veggies and into the Butchers to get your meat but here in the USA, many of us get those items from one grocery store. Whether it comes in from the West Coast off a container ship or from Chicago out to the rest of the nation, most of it is delivered by train and then by truck. Yes, the trains, though they will not run on time, will run on a set track that does not depend upon GPS. But once those trains arrive at their distribution center, those products are loaded onto trucks that move out in every direction, across our nation. Those trucks will no longer have GPS and yes they will have maps but it is the slow down that is going to be our Achilles Heel. Puerto Rico was a recent example of how crippling the ability to move food and fuel to the needed areas was and how many folks died from the cascading affects of no AC and medications/medical care being able to move it out to remote areas. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
Now Benkei, if you don't believe the affect that a loss of GPS will have on our planes in the air as well as on the ground, I am beginning to doubt your logic about this. Yes, it is true that commercial pilots are taught how to fly their planes via the control panel and by sight but the Tower would have to manually be keeping track of these planes and landing them visually but when they are landing every 60 seconds on a good day? Think of the back log, the circling, the major backup with plane loads of people trying to get clearance to land. I have been debating this here at the ranch and my youngest who is a Sophomore in College said that it wouldn't be the easiest thing to do but it has been done. To which I guessed he was referring to 9.11 which he was and I agreed with him. Sure we could get, along with other countries support, specifically Canada, ALL of our planes in the air, on the ground with a couple of hours but then what? — ArguingWAristotleTiff
The link between the Russian hacking and Trump (in trying to figure out why it's being discussed in a thread about Trump) appears to be limited to the fact that Trump has gone from being highly skeptical, to outright denying, and then finally reluctantly acquiescing to claims of official Russian involvement in the DNC hack. There is no evidence of Trump collusion in the hacks, nor is there any evidence of the election being impacted by the hacks. What we have here really amounts to some embarrassing revelations about the DNC brought about by the hacks and concern, if left unaddressed, that one day an election could be affected by hacks.
You've got nothing on Trump here other than his stubborn and apparently irrational defense of the Russians over the his own intelligence sources. I actually knew he was stubborn and impudent before this episode though. — Hanover
I don't think anybody knows it was Russia that broke into the DNC. She's saying Russia, Russia, Russia, but I don't — maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay?
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I have a son. He's 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers, it's unbelievable.
To anyone with half a brain it's clear that Barron was complicit, no doubt taking charge of some aspects given Trump's penchant for nepotism. — Michael
That might be the case but you were talking about banking transactions not cellular to cellular calls. Cellular networks don't need to transmit to satellites either and in the Netherlands are directed over landlines, as it's much cheaper. So, like all internet data, for the most part, it does not go over satellite since satellite bandwidth is hella expensive (I should know, having worked for the EU equivalent of NASA, remember? :wink: ) — Benkei
Power companies can and still do predict power output and usage on a variety of predictive models and have failsafe's to reroute overcapacity across the network. While satellites nowadays can help in ascertaining the amount of solar panels, they are not directly necessary for the work power companies do to manage the grid. — Benkei
As to the first responders, I don't know what the US uses but here there is a system that makes setting up a private network possible which doesn't rely on an uplink to a satellite for the local calls between trucks but would require the satellite once connecting to dispatch. But if the satellite goes out, they can still use regular cellphones. So still no biggie. — Benkei
I don't see the issue here. The speed of living hasn't increased to such an extent that stopping to look at a paper map is going to be a problem. This seems to be an exaggeration.
The first responders and logistics are supported by avoiding congestion and the like but it's not the end of the world. This will cause a few deaths but it's not going to cause chaos. — Benkei
Finally, you need 3 satellites for a positioning and 4 for an accurate positioning. So the system is operational with 18 satellites, preferably 24. There are 33 in operation now. Then there's also Galileo and Glonass, which can work as a back-up. That's a lot of satellites you need to destroy at ludicrous expenses, which itself would be dependent on GPS to accurately fire to begin with, before you really start disabling people's ability to use GPS or its alternatives. — Benkei
Air traffic control is done on the basis of radar not GPS. — Benkei
Why does this question keep popping up? As a liberal, anything I might think trump has done right is completely overshadowed and negated by the multitude of things he’s done to damage this country.
Do I think cutting taxes was good? For some people, but not for the ones who need it the most, and not when it’s going to impact Social Security and Medicare, both of which I and millions of other Americans rely on.
Do I think strengthening our borders is good? Not when it includes young children being separated from their parents, damages our relationship with the Mexican government, and ignores the fact that most Americans oppose it.
Do I think improved relations with Russia is a good thing? Not when the person who has sworn to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" asserts a stronger faith in the words of a former KGB agent over the reports of his own intelligence agencies, and refuses to call that former KGB agent out on his actions on the international front and the actions he took against our election process.
Do I think trump fulfills the role of “moral leader” of the country? Only if your “morals” include insulting war heroes and their families, ridiculing the disabled, having multiple affairs while married, provably lying almost every time he speaks, calling our most sacred institution - the press - the “enemy of the people,” equating racists with peaceful demonstrators, bullying people by name and in public when they don’t agree with him, and ravaging our environment by the actions of his appointed cabinet members.
So, no, I can’t think of anything he’s done “right” that isn’t completely overshadowed by the myriad things he’s done - and continues to do - wrong. After all, Ted Bundy may have helped a little old lady cross the street at some point. — From Quora
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