However fancy the long arrangements of words the theologians come up with, they disappear in a puff of shame when watching a mother helplessly holding her infant that is dying a slow painful death from whooping cough. — andrewk
If you are grass, a rabbit is a curse inflicted by an Evil God.
If you are a wolf, rabbits are a gift from a Good God.
Is God only the God of Humans? — Pattern-chaser
If you think that it's acceptable to interpret an infant that is helplessly dying a slow painful death from whooping cough in his or her loving mother's arms as a gift, then there's something wrong with you. — Sapientia
The God I worship is the God of humans and Bordetella pertussis, and everything else too. — Pattern-chaser
Your God is your problem. :roll: — Pattern-chaser
Hard to argue against such a complete and thoughtfully reasoned argument like that. Have you considered publishing? — Rank Amateur
As a point of clarity, the argument from evil, is an argument made by an atheist, as a proof God does not exist. — Rank Amateur
The burden of proof is on the atheist. The skeptical theist need only show a possibility of God and evil do coexist, and they do so with the combination of compensating goods, and cognitive distance. There is no burden of proof on the theist to proof this to reject the argument of evil. The burden is on the atheist to disprove this objection if they continue to attempt to move the theist to atheism. — Rank Amateur
No amount of harm, betrayal, exploitation, defamation or disenfranchisement can damn you. Nothing can do that, only sin, only God. — All sight
If you give people examples of evil acts, like rape, murder, child abuse, and genocide, they'll respond in their droves that these acts are unjustifiable. — Sapientia
If we are talking about the God of the Bible, which is the god that is almost always the one under discussion when this topic of theodicy comes up, then Yes, because the story of that god, and all the theories of its nature, is written by humans.If you are grass, a rabbit is a curse inflicted by an Evil God.
If you are a wolf, rabbits are a gift from a Good God.
Is God only the God of Humans? — Pattern-chaser
The co-existence of multiple unjustifiable moral actions is incoherent in utilitarianism, which is a fairly wide-spread philosophy especially amongst those without deep knowledge of philosophy. If the answers were as homogeneous as you claimed it'd be because an average person doesn't understand the word unjustifiable. Would rape be unjustified even if it prevented a genocide (or vice versa)? — BlueBanana
Let's keep it real. — Sapientia
No. It is an argument by anybody that does not believe that there is a god that is omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent, that no being, created or uncreated, have all three of those properties. In no way does that require that the person making the argument is an atheist.As a point of clarity, the argument from evil, is an argument made by an atheist, as a proof God does not exist. — Rank Amateur
Why? The discussion has a bearded sky fairy judging your masturbation as a premise (not my phrasing btw). — BlueBanana
My point is we're talking of evil and/or suffering having a meaning and being a tool for greater good on a metaphysical level, so I don't think completely valid thought experiments can be brushed off merely for not being realistic from the viewpoint of our everyday lives. — BlueBanana
I guess what I'm saying is that you're arguing that those actions are unjustifiable but simultaneously assume that they can't have good consequences, which is circular reasoning. — BlueBanana
And what possible realistic scenario can you envision where, say, raping a baby prevents genocide? Let's keep it real. If your moral philosophy is far removed from reality and requires bending over backwards and mental gymnastics, then what value is it, rea — Sapientia
No. It is an argument by anybody that does not believe that there is a god that is omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent, that no being, created or uncreated, have all three of those properties. In no way does that require that the person making the argument is an atheist. — andrewk
Corruption requires Purity to have proceded it, a flaw implies flawlesness. This is duality, because each requires the other and implies it. — Lucid
If you are grass, a rabbit is a curse inflicted by an Evil God.
If you are a wolf, rabbits are a gift from a Good God.
Is God only the God of Humans? — Pattern-chaser
If we are talking about the God of the Bible, which is the god that is almost always the one under discussion when this topic of theodicy comes up, then Yes, because the story of that god, and all the theories of its nature, is written by humans. — andrewk
The god that forms part of my worldview from time to time is not the god of the bible. She is the god of all things, and she is not omnipotent. So the problem of evil does not arise. — andrewk
If you think that it's acceptable to interpret an infant that is helplessly dying a slow painful death from whooping cough in his or her loving mother's arms as a gift, then there's something wrong with you. — Sapientia
The God I worship is the God of humans and Bordetella pertussis, and everything else too. — Pattern-chaser
Okay. Have fun worshiping an imaginary God. — Sapientia
A reality within which I can breathe fully. A reality within which I do not need to trust anyone, in order to be kind to them. A reality within which I cannot be bought, sold or intimidated. A reality within which I hold all the keys. A reality within which, I am justified, and can act freely without hesitation. I wonder what kind of reality you live in? — All sight
The compensating good for all the evil caused by the acts of men is free will. If you consider free willed beings to be a good, then you must accept the evil that free willed beings can do. You can not have one, without the other. — Rank Amateur
The harder issue for theists to counter are natural evils. This requires the noseeum defense of the skeptical theist. — Rank Amateur
just as the evil demon, brain in a vat, and dreaming butterfly thought experiments can be brushed off. — Sapientia
It is a problem of any set of beliefs that asserts that its god is omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent. That includes the main branches of Christianity, but not all of them. I expect there are other religions that promote the same troublesome set of three beliefs, and they'll have the same problem.So the so-called 'problem of evil' is a purely Christian problem? — Pattern-chaser
It is often used by atheists. It is also used by theists that reject the notion of omnipotence, and I have witnessed such people making it. Are you saying that I misheard, or that they were lying when they said they were theists?The Argument From Evil, is, was, and has always been an atheistic argument against the existence of God. — Rank Amateur
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