This is under the assumption that everyone who is virtuous will be crucified. I disagree that this is the case. — Lif3r
23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. — Luke 9:23 King James Version (KJV)
By replying with objective and unemotional perspective that the other person can understand. — Lif3r
Doesn't this than apply to you as well? Why aren't you just managing your brain? Why aren't you following this advice? — All sight
Love is the answer. — All sight
They might love me, they might hate me, and whatever the case, that is their situation to deal with. — Jake
It is really appropriate to be abusive? Like "You believe what! How could you possibly!", and "fool, idiot, wicked person!", and all things of that nature. Not just a tone, but literal insults, and brow beating... — All sight
How is engaging in abusive behavior indicative of being able to "school", rather than be "schooled"? If you are combating abusive behavior with abusive behavior, aren't you really no better than who it is you are attempting to "school"?Sadly, being abusive verbally has shown to be a good strategy in online argumentation. The objective being not to convince the other or make them accept that they made a mistake, but rather to be the one perceived as able to "school" rather than be schooled.
Since such argumentation rely on pre-existing groupthink dynamics and humour rather than a logical analysis of the content of the arguments, a site like TPF should (and does :up: ) restrict its use as much as possible, and encourage everyone to adopt the later form.
But as a tool, abusive argumentation remains very effective, if the objective is to score points with an known auditory. — Akanthinos
Combat extremism with extremism? Hypocrisy. What makes your extremism any better than another?Now, I'm not in any way suggesting violence be used with the Nazis of today, just pointing out that the appropriate way to deal with those who expose extreme ideologies may sometimes be extreme, or at least more severe than with those in the mainstream. And may certainly extend beyond the bounds of polite debate which in a way legitimizes their positions (and again that's why we don't allow them here).
In any case, out of curiosity, what rational arguments do you think Nazis and their ilk would be responsive too? Because, honestly, I don't think people at that level are open to rational argumentation. If you can manage to believe the holocaust never happened, and Hitler was actually a good guy, you are very likely too far gone to be convinced of anything to the contrary (on an internet forum at least). Having said all that, do whatever works. Anyone who reduces the number of racists, Nazis etc in the world, short of using physical violence to do it, has my unconditional support and appreciation. — Baden
WHY are Nazis wrong? WHY are you right? — Harry Hindu
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