Each of these terms carries with it a context of discussion, on social media this translates to people who talk about or use the terms. Because of the framing and the concerted efforts of the alt-right fringe to prefigure public discourse, those who use these terms are far more likely to be introduced to people on the alt-right, perspectives from the alt right, and the false science that the alt-right relies upon. They are a gateway into a dark mirror of reality, filled with hatred and entitlement, which requires vigilance of thought and kindness of deed to counteract. They are parasites on the noble enlightenment ideals of free expression and freedom of association, and their vitriol should not parroted. They see themselves as great warriors in a culture war, they are not, they are bigoted troglodytes insecure around any difference. They are opportunists preying on the disaffection and disappointments in our lives. They are the bitter creep at the seedy bar who fails to flirt then absolves their failures with misogyny, they are the factory worker who hates immigrants for the livelihood automation stole from them. — fdrake
Replying to @ThomasNovth @realDonaldTrump
@ThomasNovth needs to re-think what it means to be an American. STOP DEMONIZING REPUBLICANS AND START SUPPORTING AMERICAN VALUES- #snowflake
. You can see it's pretty similar to snowflake. The equivocation between 'snowflake' and 'SJW' is something I didn't write about in my OP, but it's pretty easy to notice.Most people who get offended are somewhat retarded, and the only remedy is offending them. #SJW #PoliticalCorrectness
If you're fed a steady diet of #CulturalMarxism, which is what "African-Americanism" essentially is, it takes nothing short of divine intervention to avoid this PERPETUAL VICTIM mindset. That's why @UnhyphenAmerica stands against the cancer of Leftism.
They see themselves as great warriors in a culture war, they are not, they are bigoted troglodytes insecure around any difference. They are opportunists preying on the disaffection and disappointments in our lives. They are the bitter creep at the seedy bar who fails to flirt then absolves their failures with misogyny, they are the factory worker who hates immigrants for the livelihood automation stole from them. — fdrake
While perhaps you can prove there are those who can effectively demonize their opponents with demeaning buzzwords, you can't prove that they are more prevalent on the right. That's just your bias speaking. — Hanover
It's good to know where words come from, but just because their source isn't kosher, doesn't mean they aren't handy terms. I've been a "social justice warrior" much longer than the phrase has been around. I like the term, both in its ameliorative and denigrating sense. I like "snowflake" too, and the type exists, left-right-and center. Pains in the ass, all of them. POMO is a favorite term too. Cuck? Cuckold has been around for a long time--Old French into Old English. — Bitter Crank
+1Somehow after Trump's elections it has become okay to just bash ad hominem after ad hominem on anything you don't like and even supposed thinkers are trying to gain credit (while saying they aren't) because they support a mainstream opinion (albeit wrapped in different vocabulary; we didn't read all these books for nothing, did we?). — Coldlight
For someone the OP can informative, yet the vitriolic hatred tells very well just how much the sides hate each other in the American discourse. Hence likely the few genuine alt-right people would just love fdrake's outburst which remind me of Captain Haddock's famous curses. — ssu
Oh, it's fuel. Not perhaps the highest octane, but still.It strikes me as very strange that you would believe my OP is just fuel for the alt-right. In no way have I expressed that bigoted ideologies are to be taken seriously intellectually, and in fact I advocate treating them as worthy more of structured contempt than debate. — fdrake
Perhaps I don't get you correctly here, but it sounds like if the other side would spread disinformation, the reply would be then "Quick! Let's counter this and create our own disinformation!"The vitriolic hatred is intended to be a mirror of the hatred applied to those who come under the use of these terms. — fdrake
Well, when talking to total strangers that we will never meet, the cordial manners of a political discussion have been forgotten. And now that unfriendly tone is coming to the discourse even if we know each other as good manners seems to be "political correctness" or hypocrisy to others.Also, this isn't specific to American political debate. It's about internet discourse on politics. — fdrake
Can you give me some examples of very popular terms in internet debate that come along with a socialist, marxist or anarchist framing? — fdrake
The buzzwords of the left used against the right are "racist," "biggot," "paranoid," "priviledged," "anti-intellectual," to name a few. All of this is aimed at deligitimizing the right. — Hanover
At least the politicians here (in Finland) have to be more civil as the administrations have to be coalition governments and hence the opposition parties can be your future team members in the next administration. This has a profound effect on the political discourse of toning it down and the politicians then have an effect on the discourse by ordinary people. Internet discussions? Well, they usually part to their own echo chambers as elsewhere.↪ssu ↪Hanover ↪fdrake ↪andrewk Does anyone happen to know how discussion proceeds in non-North American settings? Do discussions of politics on the Internet deteriorate into verbal dung throwing in South America? China? India? Africa? the Arab world? Europe? Is everybody always civil and thoughtful in Europe--especially northern Europe? — Bitter Crank
a strategy for influencing public discourse can become self sustaining once it has obtained sufficient attention. More attention generated means even more attention generated. — fdrake
It is possible to assume that the rational and ideological modii of public discourses function just as a supportive disguise - the real goal is to mobilize a maximum public attention at this particular instant,it is difficult to transmit nuanced political analysis through the attention economy of social media, it is far less difficult to transmit a faceted perspective through the same. This is achieved by creating memetic content that contains framing devices. — fdrake
With tweeting and Facebook etc. the discourse has become a parade of short witty replies and gotchas. Longer responses that intend to seek some kind of consensus or solution to an issue are rare and... dull, difficult. In fact, what I find lacking are the kind of discussion openings that don't follow the dichotomy of being for or against some issue promoting clearly the agenda of one side or the other, but find good and bad things in the issue and hence aren't clearly for or against it. These kind of answers just confuse the partisan crowd as the answers aren't simply the reurgitated talking points. — ssu
forming, expressing and satisfying mass desires. — Number2018
In principle, the rhetoric of the right is inseparableI think analysing the rhetoric of the right and how it's penetrated political discourse is a different topic from discussing the intersection of political and consumer identities. — fdrake
Don't you think that the rhetoric of the right is in principle inseparable
from the rhetoric of the left? — Number2018
Sorry fdrake, but I have to admit that this part I didn't understand clearly.Where I differ from you, I think, is that I see that rejection of the kind of analysis I advanced in the OP as propaganda from the liberal elite as an illegitimate rhetorical strategy which serves those who would hold their prejudices against history that has marched on without them. — fdrake
Perhaps in this forum reason has more to do with logic and truth than politics. I'm not in the camp of thinking that we can just logically deduce the correct choice of policy or like Leibniz thought, use math and compute the best option. We can agree on a problem, yet we have a difficult time to agree on the solution. Optics and ideas crafted as viral content have been the norm for a long time. Politics touches too many moral questions which are subjective and hence we cannot find an objective solution. And our society is extremely complex. That doesn't mean that reason isn't important.Unfortunately, this means that everyone advancing a political position has to care a lot more about optics than they would if things truly were decided in the court of reason, and not through networks organised to promote maximal exposure to exaggerated opinion. Ideas have to be crafted as viral content in order to gain wider audience and start convincing people. — fdrake
Yet notice that history has marched on in other ways too, notably that the left has changed from trying to overthrow capitalism to trying to mold it in quite a cooperative way. (Bernie Sanders is a perfect example). And civil rights naturally have not been something only promoted by the left in the broader historical context. — ssu
They're more relaxing, yeah. — fdrake
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