But what about what you're doing to him? Why does he not receive any empathy? Explain that. It is just very possible he's done nothing wrong? Why do you discount that possibly and where do you arrive at such certainty that he's a lying sack of shit? The most I can say is that he's innocent until proven guilty, and he's not been shown to me to be guilty. Might Ford be telling the truth? Sure, but I don't know that, and I can hardly prudently act on something I don't know.Hanover, so the idea that you're being objective here and would have made all these posts defending Kavanaugh if he were a lefty is just absurd. — Baden
Not too long ago drunk driving was pretty much a joke. Now, of course, it's no joke at all. But it's not a question of what it is now or should have been then, rather it's a question of fact - what it was then, de facto, and maybe even de jure. His "trial" now is at best analogous to a civil trial. The standard won't be "beyond a reasonable doubt"; instead it will be more like, "is it more likely he did or didn't?" But we all will be lucky to get even that level of justice, barring further revelations.In any day it's a serious crime. — Maw
Yet you continue to ignore Blasey Ford, the victim's interests — Baden
Don't make me say something rude to you BC. I like you too much. — Baden
Nope, you don't know me. You really don't. I believe in forgiveness and salvation in the sense that I think that people really can change who they are and become something much greater, and I find it profoundly inhumane to discard human beings to fulfill some personal goal. People are never to be treated as a means to an end. — Hanover
Feinstein withheld the allegations until it could have the greatest impact. — Hanover
Not too long ago drunk driving was pretty much a joke. Now, of course, it's no joke at all. — tim wood
you (you being a very big plural here, not the singular referring to Moderator Baden) automatically assume grave harm was done. Maybe it wasn't. — Bitter Crank
Y'all just ignoring this second allegation that I just posted? — Maw
He's dead. — Baden
lol it's "annoying" that women are speaking out about credible allegations to make sure a repeat sexual miscreant, an attempted rapist at worst, isn't sitting on the Supreme Court of the United States for a lifetime position where he will be upholding/overturning laws that will affect 300 millions of Americans. — Maw
That said, BC is a shithead. — frank
Honestly, I wasn't flaming. It's what I really think. — frank
But what about what you're doing to him? Why does he not receive any empathy? Explain that. It is just very possible he's done nothing wrong? Why do you discount that possibly and where do you arrive at such certainty that he's a lying sack of shit? The most I can say is that he's innocent until proven guilty, and he's not been shown to me to be guilty. Might Ford be telling the truth? Sure, but I don't know that, and I can hardly prudently act on something I don't know. — Hanover
Just want to reemphasize that of the four scenarios I outlined, I only proposed, with reasons, the one that she is telling the truth and he is lying as the most likely. Any fair observer should recognize the possibility of the others, and analyze them in context. — Baden
You're getting more pissy than usual and you're taking it too personally. — Hanover
This is a true difference of opinion about what justice demands and no one here thinks that sexual abuse is any way acceptable. — Hanover
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